The Low Insulin Lifestyle with Dr. Ali Chappell, PhD on the Good Mood Podcast

The Low Insulin Lifestyle with Dr. Ali Chappell, PhD on the Good Mood Podcast

I am excited to introduce a new podcast episode (I know it’s been a while). I’ve been deep in the weeds of research about insulin resistance for a course I’m working on (for a health education platform that I’m very excited to tell you more about in the coming months).

I came across Dr. Ali Chappell, PhD, when researching my course. She helped hit home for me this idea that we’ve been focusing too much on blood sugar when the real focus for better metabolic health, body composition (i.e., weight management), energy and mood needs to be on INSULIN.

For years, I’ve been telling patients to “put clothes on their carbs” by adding fat and protein to higher-carb meals to regulate blood sugar. I’ve also recommended whey protein for protein powders. I didn’t realize this was the wrong approach for supporting metabolic health when someone is dealing with insulin resistance (as many of us are).

While these foods and practices DO regulate blood sugar, they don’t minimize the root of blood sugar and insulin resistance issues, which is insulin spikes.

You might have heard of the “glycemic index,” which tells us how much a food spikes blood sugar. Well, there is also something called the “insulin index.” Dr. Ali Chappell, PhD, decided to look more deeply into this concept when developing a lifestyle to treat her PCOS, an insulin resistance hormone condition, and the number one cause of infertility in women.

She found genuinely remarkable results in herself and decided to turn to science to test her theory.

In this podcast, we discuss her research done on women with insulin resistance and PCOS. These women got incredible results, losing an average of 19 lbs and reducing their fasting insulin levels by 50% in 2 months—eating all the nuts, fruit, vegetables, fat, and animal proteins they wanted. In this study, the women counted no calories, carbs, protein, or macros. They just avoided foods that spike insulin. It’s very simple.

This research has been repeated three times, and a randomized control trial is set to be published soon. In this trial, the lifestyle was tested against conventional medical advice for PCOS and insulin resistance (eat less, exercise more, and take medication).

We talk about the science of insulin resistance and how food impacts insulin, why we need to start focusing on insulin as a medical community, and how to take back your life, manage your appetite, and stop cravings—all the good things—so you can live with lower inflammation, better mood, and better energy.

We might have discussed this lifestyle plan if you’ve seen me in the past few weeks.

This podcast is a must-listen if you’re struggling with

  • Abdominal weight gain and difficulty losing weight
  • low energy
  • hunger and cravings
  • considering Ozempic or other GLP-1 medications
  • PCOS and other insulin-resistance conditions
  • Have seen high insulin, high blood sugar, or high cholesterol on your bloodwork
  • have hypertension, insomnia, energy crashes throughout the day, irritability
  • inflammatory conditions (anything that ends in “itis”)
  • a family history of Alzheimer’s and dementia
  • a family history of cardiovascular disease

…and so on and so on- everyone can benefit as 90% of us are insulin resistant, and I’m becoming more and more convinced that conditions like “adrenal fatigue” or menopausal weight gain are due to elevated insulin levels affecting our bodies’ ability to get energy and burn fat.

I’m so excited that Dr. Ali agreed to speak with me and that she was so generous with her time and information.

Check it out and let me know what you think!

Episode Chapters

0:05 

Introduction to Insulin

2:22 

Dr. Chappell’s Journey with PCOS

4:06 

Research and the Low Insulin Lifestyle

6:04 

Reassessing Medical Approaches

9:45 

Challenges of Measuring Insulin

10:50 

Insulin Resistance and Dietary Implications

13:35 

The Vicious Cycle of Insulin

18:57 

Insulin Resistance in Pregnancy

20:53 

The Impact of Insulin on Women

24:12 

Dairy and Its Effects on Insulin

29:15 

Protein Sources and Insulin Response

34:47 

The Importance of Balanced Nutrition

39:33 

Study Findings on Insulin Management

51:06 

Miscarriage and Insulin’s Role in Fertility

53:03 

Glucose vs. Insulin

54:29 

FDA and App Development

56:50 

Study and Research Insights

59:24 

GLP-1 Drugs Discussion

1:06:49 

Managing Cravings and Appetite

1:10:45 

Long-term Effects and Sustainability

1:17:21 

The Role of Fruit in Diet

1:21:38 

Bounce Back Blueprint

1:31:37 

Insulin Resistance and Dietitians

1:32:44 

Men’s Health and Insulin Resistance

1:36:55 

The Conspiracy of Insulin Testing

1:42:10 

Final Thoughts and Resources

Transcript

Speaker1:
[0:02] So welcome, Dr. Ali Chappell. Thank you for meeting with me.

Speaker0:
[0:06] Thank you for having me.

Speaker1:
[0:07] Yeah, and how I found you, just for the audience to know, is I was on a very popular Instagram account about glucose regulation. We may not mention the name, and that shows a lot of continuous glucose monitoring. And one of the things that it highlighted was if you combine, like if you eat if you combine chickpeas with fat, you get less of a glucose spike. And I was drawn, my attention was drawn to your comment. And you had a very thorough, very interesting comment about how, I know, partly why that glucose spike is reduced is because when you combine starches and fats together, you get this big insulin spike, which is lowering your glucose. And it, you know, as a naturopathic doctor, you know, I think, you know, we pay a lot of attention to insulin resistance, we pay a lot of attention to blood sugar, glucose, metabolic health, but there’s something about how the medical community and even natural health doctors tend to frame everything about glucose, you know, and this is a very popular Instagram account. Everyone loves it. It’s like all about how to lower your glucose. And we forget that it’s actually insulin that we’re trying to regulate. And so then I started following you, you know, read your book, read your research. And so I’m really excited to have you on.

Speaker0:
[1:25] It’s my favorite topic.

Speaker1:
[1:26] Yeah.

Speaker0:
[1:27] I, Sometimes I get a little frustrated when I scroll through Instagram because it is this very glucose-centric, but that’s not just Instagram, that’s the medical community as well. So I think we’re turning a page and I think we’re moving in the right direction from a medical perspective, but we’re not there yet completely.

Speaker1:
[1:47] Yeah, like we’re hearing the word insulin mentioned more, but it’s still all about glucose. And so maybe we can start by you explaining a little bit about, you know, blood sugar, insulin resistance and insulin, you know, and I mean, I told you in the email and in our communication that my audience knows, they have a bit of a background about insulin resistance, but it’s always helpful to hear it again. And also for newcomers that are just joining, it would be helpful for them to hear a bit of an explanation.

Speaker0:
[2:14] Yeah. Well, maybe I’ll start with how did I even get into this, right?

Speaker0:
[2:19] And where did Um, you know, I have PCOS. I started having symptoms at 14, just a lot of weight gain and acne. And at 21, uh, and I had one period a year. Um, and at 21, I was studying to be a dietitian, never heard of PCOS. I went to the on-campus clinic and a women’s health nurse practitioner diagnosed me and basically said, well, you need to lose weight, which every dietitian loves to hear.

Speaker0:
[2:46] And that, you know, I need to watch my weight. And, you know, here’s a brochure and a pat on the back and here’s some of my pentacle pills. And that was, that was it. And I was like, how does my diet and my ovaries have anything to do with each other? Like I literally am about to graduate with a bachelor’s in nutrition. I’ve never heard of PCOS. So that really where I started researching this and was like, it has all to do with insulin resistance. And at that point, the only thing I knew about insulin was, you give it to diabetics to lower their blood sugar. That was all I knew. So it was understanding really how insulin is the driving factor of PCOS. So then I thought, okay, well, what raises your insulin levels? And that really led me down this journey of, well, okay, so there are certain foods that raise insulin, even if they don’t raise blood glucose. And what does that mean? And what are those foods? And that is really what started this journey. So, you know, I incorporated this kind of what low insulin diet, although I just don’t like the word diet. It’s kind of a four-letter letter word, especially because I struggled with binge eating for so long because of PCOS and because I couldn’t lose weight. So I called it a low insulin lifestyle.

Speaker0:
[3:52] And that really started the journey. It worked, you know, it was amazing results for myself, you know, with acne and, you know, helping me lose weight. And so that’s when my PhD advisor was like, well, why don’t you just do a study

Speaker0:
[4:05] and see if it works for other people? And so, you know, I was very lucky. I got grant from the Laura W. Bush Institute for Women’s Health Research, you know, a prestigious research scholar grant for $25,000, which allowed me to kind of start the study. And that really, the results were, you know, better than I could have expected. I was working with a reproductive endocrinologist, and she was sending only all of her patients. And so that really led down this journey. So now we’ve been, we’ve done three studies now, a randomized control trial. And So here’s what that is kind of what’s launched this whole low insulin lifestyle and all the data to support it. But, you know, I think when you start with understanding that over the past several decades, more than that, probably.

Speaker0:
[4:52] Medical establishment focuses on glucose, and they don’t really care about how you lower glucose. They just want glucose within a normal range. And so that has led to the development of many, many drugs, pharmaceutical drugs, that stimulate the pancreas to make more insulin, right, in an effort to lower blood glucose. And once that patient’s glucose is in the normal range, they get a glurine check, and they’re off on their way, and they’re healthy.

Speaker0:
[5:19] But the problem with that is that so many people, their pancreas is just overworking so hard to keep that blood glucose in the normal range that there’s a class of medications I’m sure you’re familiar with called sulfonylureas, and they stimulate the pancreas to make insulin. And yes, the glucose levels normalize, but the long-term side effects of these medications are pancreatic cancer and worsened insulin resistance. Because when you’re raising insulin levels in the blood, you’re going to have worse health outcomes. And so we’re now beginning to realize that it wasn’t ever the glucose that was the problem. It’s always been the insulin.

Speaker0:
[5:58] And so I try to explain it as, imagine you hire somebody to fix your foundation of your home. And they come in and all they do is patch the cracks in the wall, right? And they fix the cracks. So you don’t see the foundation, you know, the cracks anymore. And you’re like, they’re like, all right, it’s fixed. And you’re like, did you really fix it or did you just fix the symptom? Because that’s the problem. Glucose imbalance is a symptom of an insulin problem. And so I think now, finally, we’re starting to really turn the page and say, well, you know, if I’m not measuring insulin, then how do you really have the full picture of what’s going on in the background to make that blood sugar go well? Does that make sense?

Speaker1:
[6:42] Yeah. Yes, definitely. Yeah, it’s infuriating, as you said. I mean, people will have all the symptoms, which I’m sure we’ll talk about, of high insulin, insulin resistance, but their blood sugar will be normal, even ideal. Their HbA1c will be ideal. And then it’s like, okay. So often what I have to do when people bring in blood work if we’re not ordering it ourselves is like kind of look peripherally at the signs and symptoms like, oh, you have high triglycerides, you have low HDL. Oh, you’ve noticed weight gain, you’re not sleeping. So it’s looking at kind of all around it when we could just directly measure insulin. It’s not very expensive.

Speaker0:
[7:18] It’s not, but you know, there’s some problems with that. So historically it was using what are called immunoassays, which are We’re not always very consistent, but now we’re using mass spectometry, which is very consistent, very accurate. So a lot of the providers and the things, why the reason that measuring insulin isn’t in standard practice guidelines is because they say that the results are not necessarily always accurate, and so they don’t want to test that. That’s not true anymore, right? We have devices that can measure hormones in urine using your phone. And you’re telling it, we can measure insulin accurately in the blood.

Speaker0:
[7:58] The second problem is that we haven’t developed standard normal ranges. Okay, so if you go and get your insulin tested today, whether it’s through Quest or wherever, all of them are going to have a different range of normal and they’re all wildly inaccurate. So they’ll say that anything between 3 and 30 micro units per milliliter are normal. Like anything over eight is considered to be too high. And some even say even above six is too high, but eight is as a more well accepted, you know, they’ve been, they’ve done some studies looking at this and over eight really is where you, it sets you up for, you know, problems. So for somebody, I’ve had plenty of people say, well, I have all these symptoms, but I’m not insulin resistant. And I’ll say, well, did you get your insulin tested? And they said, yeah, it was 22. I’m like, well, that’s three times higher than it needs to be, you know, but we don’t have the standard normal ranges. So until we have mass awareness that testing insulin is important, normal ranges so that people actually know what is and is not considered a problem, then I think we just, and also just the general education of the healthcare community that measuring insulin is the other part of the conversation and even a bigger and more important part than just glucose um because otherwise people are just walking into a house and you know assessing the foundation by whether or not there’s cracks in the walls and that’s just not how you do it.

Speaker1:
[9:27] Yeah and i think too um knowing how to treat it right because a lot of people and and also for the canadians eight uh is about 42 or 50 in the standard units so people looking at their blood ever being like that.

Speaker1:
[9:45] But still, you know, the ranges in the SI units go up to 300. And I have seen people over that range, but not commonly. But often people will have a HOMA IR value that is abnormal. So it’s a little bit more nuanced and helpful, which is a calculation with fasting glucose, fasting insulin. But another part is just knowing how to treat it because people are told like, well, you’re already eating well, very general term, and moving. So let’s just watch and wait until you have type 2 diabetes, and then we’ll give you drugs for it, basically.

Speaker0:
[10:22] That’s absolutely what’s happening. And that’s where really the issue is. And what I’m trying to do is that the standard nutrition recommendations don’t really work for insulin resistance, because they’re not focused on minimizing insulin spikes. So I’d always like to use this like an orange with thumbtacks. I don’t know if you saw that post on my profile.

Speaker1:
[10:49] Yeah, that was good.

Speaker0:
[10:50] Yeah, I thought I.

Speaker1:
[10:50] Was stealing your idea from my course I’m doing. It’s a great vision.

Speaker0:
[10:54] The more education gets out there, the better. So, you know, I kind of show this orange with these thumbtacks. And I say, well, this is a cell. And these thumbtacks are your insulin receptors. And when you eat foods that spike insulin, and I’m gonna say insulin, not glucose, although sometimes they’re together and sometimes they’re not, but we’ll talk about that later, is that when you eat foods that cause these insulin spikes.

Speaker0:
[11:16] Those receptors become overwhelmed with all the insulin in circulation, and they start basically saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, I’m overwhelmed. I’m going to start removing these receptors from my surface. And when that happens, there are fewer receptors where insulin can bind and pull glucose in because the only way they get glucose out of the blood is to have insulin bind to a receptor and it pulls the glucose into the cell. Well, if you have less receptors, then you have less ability to get glucose from the blood.

Speaker0:
[11:45] Well, pancreas then says, hey, wait, there’s too much sugar in the blood. We can’t have all this sugar in the blood. So it sends out more insulin. And that kind of starts this vicious cycle. So now you’ve got the pancreas compensating for these reduced number of receptors, which then makes more receptors disappear. And here you are eating every two hours foods that are causing more insulin spikes. And it really causes this huge vicious cycle because more insulin in the blood means more of the food you’re eating is going to be stored as fat as compared to used. And it also means your metabolism is going to slow because your brain says, whoa, my cells are starving. We don’t get enough glucose. I don’t know where my next meal is coming. I’m going to slow everything down so that we don’t have to start burning muscle for energy. And that’s when you go take naps. And that’s when you have chronic fatigue. So all of it really starts with what you’re eating and whether it’s spiking your insulin, because that is the stimulus that gets the snowball rolling.

Speaker0:
[12:50] And then, you know, at that point, the problem that most people find is that they will have all these symptoms. And like you said, their glucose will be normal because your pancreas is still able to secrete enough insulin. It just… It just can’t get the job done. It can keep the blood glucose level stable for long enough, but eventually it starts to get out of hand. I think of like the I Love Lucy episode. I’m dating myself. But, you know, when they’re in the chocolate factory and they’re like, oh, this is okay. Like, we’re good. And then the machine like starts going and they’re like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I can’t keep up to date. But that’s basically like your blood sugar, essentially, where it starts to

Speaker0:
[13:32] get too out of control and they no longer can get it managed. The pancreas can’t manage it. So I hope that I like to give these visuals so that we understand like what’s happening below the surface.

Speaker1:
[13:42] Yeah, I often use the like beach ball. It’s like, OK, your beach ball, you’re pushing it down. But the more buoyant it is, the harder you have to push. So the amount of insulin is telling us how hard are basically is your pancreas working to keep your blood sugar where it is. So your HbA1c is, let’s say, 5 percent or your fasting glucose is 5. These are the Canadian units, which is normal, which is ideal. But there’s two people with the same blood sugar. One may have really high insulin pressing down on that fasting glucose and someone else may have low insulin. So their cells are a lot more sensitive. And so it’s like only when you can no longer suppress it, then you start to see rises in blood sugar. And then you start to, you know, have your doctor call you in to say, hey, you’ve pre-diabetes, you know.

Speaker0:
[14:29] Yes. I think that’s the other thing. I wish that the diabetes community would come up with different terms for the different types of type 2 diabetes, right? Because if you’re just measuring a glucose, well, you don’t know if that person’s making so much insulin, it’s just not working very well. Or if their pancreas is, I call it a lazy pancreas, if you saw in my book, right? Or they have a lazy pancreas. So, you know, I think there’s quite a bit of people now talking about these very thin people who say, I’ve always struggled to gain weight. I’ve never been able, I’ve never had to struggle with my weight, but now I’m pre-diabetic. What’s going on? Well, and that also is kind of, and I talked about how you can’t look at other people and say, well, look, they, you know, Asian people eat all this rice and they’re very skinny. And how can they get away with it? It must be good for you. Oh, they have a definite, a very different metabolism. They can’t make enough insulin, right? They’re not going to gain weight no matter what they do. So, you know, it’s just, it’s like we need a type A, a type 2A and a type 2B.

Speaker1:
[15:29] Yeah, that’s true. Yeah, it should be called different things ultimately because it’s, yeah. I mean, one of the things I was seeing in practice, not so often, but my type 2 diabetic patients were being prescribed insulin, which is wild, right? Because you’re getting more of the thing that’s driving the disease process is very short-term, short-sighted thinking based on a paradigm that’s not, the whole paradigm is shifted off of what’s actually true, which is weird. Because it’s not that hard to just shift it to more accurate, which is what you’re doing.

Speaker0:
[16:04] And even if you have, let’s say you have a lazy pancreas, right? You can’t make enough insulin to keep up with the food that you’re eating. Giving them a medication like a sulfonylurea to just force that poor little overworked, you know, pancreas to make even more insulin is like kicking a dog while it’s down. Like it can’t keep up. And now you’re going to force it to make more. And all that’s doing is going to lead to beta cell failure. And then they are going to have to take insulin because their pancreas is going to be so worn out, it can’t function anymore. And that does happen to the other group too, right? I mean, eventually their pancreas is like, I’m retiring. I’m done. I’ve been overworked for so many years. I’m just not, I’m just, I’m just done. And then they then become. So I wish that we could get to a point where diabetes management is insulin management and not glucose management. But there’s just a lot of education that would have to be done, I think.

Speaker1:
[16:58] Yeah. And I think, you know, you were coming at it from your own experience, which is having PCOS, which for anyone listening, if you don’t know, polycystic ovarian syndrome, which is a condition of insulin resistance. But it’s often not framed that way or treated that way. I mean, one of the therapies is metformin, which is a diabetes drug. But, you know, people are also prescribed, like, testosterone blockers and anti-androgens and birth control to regulate the period, which, you know.

Speaker1:
[17:31] But, yeah, and I think, yeah, a lot of conditions that are not being flagged as being insulin-resistant conditions, you know, and again, this is kind of more of that same problem. And how insulin resistance can affect you know aside from sort of diabetes it has all of these other symptoms in the body potentially Alzheimer’s weight gain and these changes in in menopause and perimenopause that can increase insulin levels that can contribute to all these symptoms that people notice like I’m having difficulty sleeping you know I’m irritable my I’m noticing all this weight gain and I haven’t changed my diet or I haven’t changed my exercise and all these really frustrating symptoms that people are just left to deal with on their own. And they’re told to exercise and diet more, which is difficult because as you mentioned, you’re fatigued, you have all these cravings, your blood sugar’s cycling, your insulin is spiking and it’s making you starving and tired. And so, yeah, we’re sort of missing a huge opportunity to treat people.

Speaker0:
[18:38] You know, if, first of all, insulin resistance affects 89% of U.S. Adults, but just as many, you know, abroad as well, as well as children, you know, insulin resistance really starts in the womb.

Speaker0:
[18:52] So before a mom even gets pregnant, they’ve done studies where they can take

Speaker0:
[18:56] insulin in a mom before she even conceives. And it will predict whether her female child would have early puberty because when they have too much insulin over the course of pregnancy, and pregnancy is a natural state of insulin resistance because insulin resistance helps you store fat and it helps you grow. And so insulin resistance is super important in pregnancy. But if you already had too high before you even got pregnant, then you’re even higher. And that leads to the baby to have genetic changes that leads them to over-secrete insulin. And your breast milk, because milk has insulin in it, it’s what helps cause insulin resistance in a newborn baby because insulin resistance is important in newborn babies because what are they doing? They’re growing and they’re storing fat. So that breast milk is helping do that because their pancreas isn’t advanced or mature enough to make enough insulin, so they’re getting their insulin from the breast milk, which happens from cow’s milk too. We can talk about that later.

Speaker0:
[19:58] So, you know, they’ve even looked at moms who have high insulin levels. Their breast milk has higher insulin levels, which means that baby’s getting more insulin from the mom. And that leads them to this spiral. So when we look at all these intervention programs for young kids who are overweight and obese, the intervention is like almost too late by that point. The intervention needs to start in the reproductive age women to get them as healthy as possible before they even have a baby.

Speaker0:
[20:24] But you know I say all that to say you know.

Speaker0:
[20:28] There could be nothing more important than insulin management because, like you said, especially menopause is the same thing. It’s this very, I wouldn’t say natural phase of insulin resistance, but it is. I mean, when estrogen drops, insulin rises, and they start having all these symptoms, including cardiovascular disease. That’s why heart disease risk increases after menopause.

Speaker0:
[20:49] And it’s definitely something that we’re missing, for sure.

Speaker1:
[20:53] Mm-hmm. Yeah, I also in my course talk a lot about these sort of vicious cycles of inflammation driving insulin resistance and vice versa. And then you mentioned like muscle breakdown in order to get glucose levels normalized, which, you know, reduces some of our insulin sensitizing capacity because we have less muscle. And so there’s all these, you know, stress and how that affects our blood sugar and how that affects our insulin. And so we’re kind of caught in these like snowballs and, you know, which also resists kind of very basic treatment recommendations like, oh, just eat less, exercise more. Eat less, exercise more. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker0:
[21:33] So, you know, that kind of goes back to this journey and what I just realized and what I understood about what foods really spike insulin. And so I think, you know, I can get wrapped up in how bad insulin is and what it causes and all these things. And people are sometimes like, OK, I get it. But like, what do I do? So, you know, the thing about insulin is that first, what we’ve been teaching for nutrition perspective, you know, all through my dietetic education and everything was more whole grains, more beans, less meat, more low-fat dairy. I think that’s been pretty much the advice that we’ve been given. And the problem with that is that, you know, when you look at whole grains and beans and sweet potatoes, they’re all starches, right? And starch is the only carbohydrate source that is pure glucose. Now, of course, those foods give you protein and fiber and vitamins and minerals, right? But they also give you lots of starch. I mean, a third of a cup of quinoa is 36 grams of starch. That’s a lot of starch. Well, the problem with that is because starch is essentially just made up of pure glucose. Pure glucose chains, that’s what starch is. So when you eat that and you break all those glucose molecules up, all that is doing is causing a huge insulin spike. So when people say, well, we should be able to have some starch, it’s not that this is a never thing.

Speaker0:
[23:00] It’s like telling somebody with a peanut allergy that they should be eating peanuts because they’re healthy for them. When you’re insulin resistant, it means you’re glucose intolerant. That is essentially the medical term to our glucose intolerant. That’s why we give them glucose tolerance tests. And if you fail that, which most people do, it means you’re glucose intolerant. So the last thing you want to be doing is eating sources of pure glucose, right? That’s not going to really help you towards your goal. So when you think about carbohydrates, it’s not about limiting your total carbohydrates or having to count them. It’s simply getting them for foods that are lower in glucose, which are non-starchy vegetables and whole raw fruit versus starches. And the other thing is that, yes, those foods give you fiber and protein and vitamins and minerals, but you can get all of those same vitamins, minerals, protein, fiber in more insulin friendly options. So that’s one component that’s kind of against conventional nutrition recommendations that’s part of a low-insulin lifestyle is limit the starches as much as you can. Eat as many carbs as you want just from fruits and veggies. The second is around dairy.

Speaker0:
[24:13] So remember, breast milk, the purpose of breast milk is to provide insulin and insulin growth factor. Insulin growth factor is this very, very potent growth hormone.

Speaker0:
[24:24] In infancy, it’s so important. It’s what helps babies double their length and triple their weight in the first year. It’s the most rapid time of growth. I mean, just look at the clothing sizes. Anybody who has a head of baby sees that these babies are growing. But adults, or really even after infancy, were not growing really. that much. The next time that IGF-1 or insulin growth factor levels increases, again, is during puberty when we’re growing. You don’t want, you know, insulin growth factor, IGF, you don’t want IGF levels to be high throughout the lifespan because IGF-1 is the strongest predictor of cancer risk because cancer at its most basic is an overgrowth of cells, right? And so that’s just a growth hormone that’s telling your cells to grow. So milk provides both insulin and insulin growth factor. And cow’s milk provides even more than human milk because look at how much a cow has to grow. So from a milk perspective, milk is very, very insulin spiking because you’re essentially just drinking insulin. Okay. Now, the second component of dairy that’s very insulin spiking are the proteins in milk. So the proteins in milk are whey and casein. They have a very unique amino acid profile. They’re the most concentrated sources of branch chain amino acids, which are essential. You need them to build muscle.

Speaker0:
[25:46] You don’t need to overdo them because overdoing branch chain amino acids causes excessive insulin secretion. And there’s tons of research looking at branch chain amino acids and type 2 diabetes. So, you know, that really begs this question of, well, we have whey protein in everything. I mean, when one walks down the-

Speaker1:
[26:04] So popular you know protein cereal it

Speaker0:
[26:07] Is in everything and the reason it’s in everything is because it’s a waste product from the dairy industry to make one pound of cheese it makes nine pounds of whey waste and they didn’t know what to do with it all so in the 70s and 80s somebody was like oh let’s powder this and dry it and we’ll aggressively market it to the fitness industry and you know it’ll be a high protein we’ll market it as protein and put it in everything because it’s a waste product and it’s they couldn’t they’re not allowed from the environmental protection agency if that still exists um they’re not allowed to pour it down the rivers because it killed all the fish because it causes algae bloom so they literally didn’t have anything to do with it um and so they started marketing it to people and it’s now a multi-billion dollar industry so now you look at, anything and everything. And it has whey protein in it, not because it’s healthy, but because it’s very abundant, if you can imagine.

Speaker1:
[27:06] I’m so guilty of recommending it. And there’s also this conflicting, I think you made a good point about how it’s not like people get confused and they get wrapped up in emotional. And so for anyone listening, it’s not about like foods being, it’s not about like quinoa being bad. It’s about what your underlying health concerns and health goals are and whether it’s appropriate like glucose you’re not glucose tolerant just like someone who can’t consume peanuts they’re not peanut allergy but it’s some right and so when we hear of like branch chain amino acids and whey protein stimulating protein muscle synthesis it’s like okay that is appropriate for that context maybe but if we look at the context of someone who’s insulin resistant you don’t need to be spiking your insulin and this could be working gains too and this is what I was on a keto diet which we’ll probably talk about and I was like why am I not really getting that great results while I was mixing my whey protein into some yogurt high fat yogurt natural yogurt and I was like when I read your stuff I was like oh okay that’s why I’m starving after I have this

Speaker0:
[28:18] Well, and let’s go back to, because I do get a lot of criticism when I make posts about whey protein from the bodybuilding community, because let’s talk about why is it effective for stimulating muscle growth?

Speaker0:
[28:30] Because it spikes insulin and it spikes insulin growth factor. And those are growth hormones. I mean, they’re not that different than anabolic steroids. An anabolic steroid means growth hormone. And insulin and IGF-1, especially IGF-1, is a growth hormone. So if you’re eating things, I mean, there are some bodybuilders who are just injecting IGF-1. Like that’s now part of the doping, the doping, like where the Olympic Association is now measuring blood levels of IGF-1 to determine whether people are doping. That’s how strong of a growth hormone it is.

Speaker0:
[29:06] For somebody who’s like taking a walk around the block and then coming home

Speaker0:
[29:09] for a whey protein shake is not only counterproductive, but possibly worsening. And so that’s the thing is you’re going to the grocery store and you’re buying these protein pancakes thinking, well, there must be better than regular pancakes. And actually they’re worse because it’s the same processed flour, but now you have processed flour with whey protein in it. And that manufacturer of those protein pancakes paid nothing for that whey protein because it was just a waste product. And they’re charging you more for it because you think it’s healthier because it says high protein. I mean, it’s just, and even then, even if you’re not buying the protein pancakes, it’s in everything. I love Birch Bender’s pancake mix, the keto pancake mix. Well, they recently reformulated their recipe to add whey protein in it, but it’s not high protein. It’s not a high protein food. They added whey protein as an additive for who knows what. So it’s just, it’s literally in everything. And it’s like, why would, you know, to think about it, even in one cup of milk, right, if you just get a cup of milk.

Speaker0:
[30:12] 20% of the protein in a cup of milk comes from what? Only 20%, which is probably biologically being like, well, we want these babies to grow, but like, let’s keep it kind of regulated, right? Let’s not make the whole thing just this huge insulin spike. But yet now we’re concentrating it and adding multiple scoops to a propotein shake and having way more branched chain amino acids and insulin spike than nature ever intended. And it’s scary. So, you know, that’s kind of the whole thing about dairy. But I’m not dairy free. Because, and I’ll, sorry, you had a question.

Speaker1:
[30:52] No, no, no, go ahead. No, I think, well, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker0:
[30:55] Yeah. I’m not dairy free. You would think, well, obviously she doesn’t eat dairy. No, because fermented dairy, when you think about Greek yogurt and cheese, to make Greek yogurt and cheese, you have to remove all the way. Okay. That’s why they’re, that’s why Greek yogurt is very thick compared to other types of yogurt. Skier is very thick compared to other, like regular Yoplait yogurt or whatever at the store. It’s kind of runny. That’s because it still has a lot of whey in it. Same thing with cottage cheese. It has a lot of whey in it because whey is liquid. But Greek yogurt and cheese, the way to make those is to completely remove the whey. So you’re just left with casein. Now, casein still raises insulin and insulin growth factor, but when you ferment those, the bacteria changes those branched-chain amino acids to branched-chain ketoacids. It changes the actual structure of those branched-chain amino acids, which lowers that insulin response. So when you look at these studies that look at dairy and health, they all will say, well, yogurt’s still good for you and people see a benefit because you have the probiotics from the fermentation, but you also have fundamentally changed the insulin component, the insulin spiking component of that casein. So you have a much more insulin friendly product. So I still, so it’s Greek yogurt and I recommend full fat because if you take out the fat, what are you concentrating? The protein.

Speaker1:
[32:23] And the sugar.

Speaker0:
[32:24] Protein is, yeah. So you want the fat in there because you don’t want so many dairy proteins. You know, dairy proteins, their biological purpose is to stimulate insulin. So I still recommend that if they’re going to, you know, for a low insulin lifestyle, we recommend getting rid of all dairy except full fat Greek yogurt and aged cheese.

Speaker1:
[32:44] Yeah, which is great because it still gives you, like you said, there’s a lot of studies where it’s like, you know, yogurt can reduce belly fat, so it can be confusing for people when they hear. But I was going to say when you were talking about whey protein and the insulinemic effects, if you are monitoring your glucose with a continuous glucose monitor, adding whey protein would probably lower your glucose. Yeah.

Speaker0:
[33:11] Yeah. And so that’s another thing. It’s so funny. I get, I get these people that are like, you don’t know what you’re talking about. I wear a continuous glucose monitor and it doesn’t spike my glucose. I’m like, I didn’t say it spiked glucose. Whey has no glucose in it. It’s not going to affect your glucose. It’s going to drive insulin. But you know, one of the things that protein also does naturally is it also, this might be too sciencey and we don’t even have to get into But.

Speaker0:
[33:37] You know, you have glucagon also, right? So you have insulin and glucagon. And when glucagon rises, it releases glucose from the liver. And so they’ll say, oh, well, it increases glucagon, which makes people more full for longer. And that’s all true. But the reason it stimulates glucagon is because if it doesn’t, a person’s going to be hypoglycemic. It has to have that glucagon release the glucose into the bloodstream so that it doesn’t overcompensate and drive the blood sugar down too low. Does that make sense? So you have a net neutral of glucose because you’re releasing more glucose into the bloodstream from the liver, but you’re also blocking, you know, pushing glucose down lower because you’re trying to drive it into those cells. That’s why it’s great for muscle building but you don’t whey protein after a workout yes you need insulin to drive muscle growth and get those amino acids into the cells to build um but that’s like whey protein is like starting a fire and throwing gasoline on it like you can start a fire without gasoline yeah it may be faster with gasoline but you’re going to cause potentially a lot more.

Speaker0:
[34:44] Problems than you intended by doing that. So yeah, definitely if people want to have a protein powder, I recommend foods with a much more balanced amino acid profile like egg white protein is great. My husband loves J-Rob. We’re not affiliated. That just seems to be a really good one. J-Rob egg white protein is good. Bone broth protein powder is also a good one or if they’re plant-based um, hep C protein is, uh, is a good one as well.

Speaker1:
[35:14] Okay. Yeah. Thank you. That’s good. What about pea proteins? People ask me this all the time. So often they’ll remove the starch, although peas would naturally have starch, but do you know about the branch amino acid?

Speaker0:
[35:26] Well, they are not going to have many. They are, they do have some, so they are like a complete protein, although that’s not even necessary. Like you don’t have to have every single protein source have to be a complete protein every time. As long as you’re eating a variety of protein foods, you’re going to get all you need. So when people say, well, bone broth protein is not a complete protein, you’re going to be fine. But with pea protein and brown rice protein, yes, they do remove the starch. So from an insulin spiking perspective, it’s better. It’s okay. It’s just that they’re very processed, right? They go through a very extensive processing to remove all that starch so that you can get that concentrated protein. Whereas hemp seed protein is just hemp seeds, Right now, it does top taste like the inside of a lawnmower, so you better like that earthy taste.

Speaker1:
[36:19] It’s pretty rough, but you can doctor it up and make it taste pretty good.

Speaker0:
[36:23] Or you can just sprinkle hemp seeds into your smoothie and they don’t have a taste at all. But the same thing with like now they’re coming out with these new protein powders like almond protein powder and pumpkin seed protein powder. They’re just processed to remove all the extra fat which you should be getting anyways because fat is good for us but it concentrates the protein because everybody is so obsessed with getting more protein getting more protein but i’d like to challenge that a lot of that came from the marketing of the whey protein powder industry um that’s interesting to make people think they needed 200 grams of protein a day yeah.

Speaker1:
[37:02] I mean well and also and i’m definitely guilty of pushing the protein thing. But when people have high insulin, like generally just high fasting insulin, I mean, you’re already kind of set up to technically build muscle.

Speaker0:
[37:17] Yeah.

Speaker1:
[37:18] That’s a big complaint.

Speaker0:
[37:19] Yeah.

Speaker1:
[37:20] People are like, I easily put on muscle. I just can’t lose weight. It’s like, well, okay, then you don’t need whey maybe.

Speaker0:
[37:27] No, you definitely don’t need whey. I hope that I don’t ever sound like I don’t think protein is important. Protein is absolutely important. I do not track protein at all. I did track one day just to see like, what do I get? I’m curious, you know, and I had about 95 grams of protein and that’s like from peanut butter. I love shelled, I love shelled edamame and like, you know, for lunch, I eat a pound of frozen vegetables that I put in a pan and I cook it in some avocado oil and I throw shelled edamame, like a half cup of shelled edamame and I sprinkle some grated Parmesan cheese and some toasted a pecan and it’s like this big and I will eat the whole bowl. And it’s like 30 plus grams of protein just for that. You don’t really need to track it as long as you’re being mindful that every meal you’re having fruits and veggies, you’re having something protein and you’re having some fat, you’re going to be fine. I think this idea of these excessive protein goals came from the fact that the only way you can meet that goal is by using protein powder, which then plays into the industry, you know?

Speaker1:
[38:33] Yeah, I mean, we’ll get into this, but I think I was going through one of the studies where it showed sort of the macronutrient results because they had people do diet diaries. You had people do diet diaries a couple times during the two months. And yeah, they were eating about 90 grams a day, which is a lot of people struggle to get that much. And I wonder if maybe there’s something about kind of removing the food noise by having like, OK, here’s the foods that you’re eating. And, you know, a huge chunk of that is protein foods. Um maybe there’s something about how starch kind of changes our appetite or or our satiety so we’re not really interested in protein but yeah it’s interesting that we’re kind of falling into it you know

Speaker0:
[39:13] They i mean these were patients who were you know very overweight they their average fasting insulin was 31 now remember it needs to be eight so their average fasting is eight or less Their average

Speaker0:
[39:26] fasting insulin was 31 and their A1C was 5.2 or 5.3, like totally normal. If they went to the doctor, the doctor would be like, you’re healthy as a horse. I don’t know why you’re having all these symptoms, you know, come back when you’re in bed. Right. That’s basically what they’d be told. And behind the scenes, their insulin is three or four times higher than it needs to be. And we basically said, okay, well, you’re going to follow this plan. You’re going to eat as much as you want, whenever you want. at these foods that don’t spike insulin. Non-starchy vegetables, whole fruits, you know, lean proteins. We didn’t even stress the lean on the protein, but we were like, just trim visible fat. By no means do you need to eat egg whites. Like eat the eggs. Make sure you’re getting lots of healthy fats. I even was encouraging them. I was like, I want you to eat a whole medium avocado every day. Like I want you to make that a goal.

Speaker0:
[40:19] And that was it, right? And then we told them, you’re gonna, first eight weeks, we want you to not eat anything on this list of insulin spiking foods. Also, you can have either Greek yogurt or cheese, but only one serving a day. And you could have red wine. If you want to, because it’s a sustainability, am I saying red wine is a health food? No, but… It is part of like just having something that’s sustainable that you can have as a treat and they could have an ounce of dark chocolate. And, you know, what’s really important is we didn’t allow them to exercise. And not the exercise is, of course, important. And we recommend exercise for a clinical research study. You have to make sure that the results they’re seeing are from the diet changes and not that exercise. So they couldn’t exercise. And that was it. You know, and two months later, they lost 19 pounds. They had a 50 percent reduction in insulin. They had a 50-plus percent reduction in HOMA-IR. They had a 35% drop in triglycerides. I mean, two months. Their testosterone levels went down by 25% because they had PCOS. I mean, it was crazy. The results and those results have been extended to all of the studies that we’ve done. And what was great was that they did these diaries. And so for whoever’s listening who hasn’t read the studies, their average calorie intake was just around 1,400 or 1,500 a day. I mean, again, not counting calories, eating whatever they wanted, their carb intake.

Speaker1:
[41:42] As many nuts as you want.

Speaker0:
[41:43] As many nuts, as much fruit, whatever they want.

Speaker1:
[41:46] Red meat.

Speaker0:
[41:46] Red meat.

Speaker1:
[41:47] Yeah.

Speaker0:
[41:49] And one girl told me, she’s like, I ate an entire pack of bacon. I know I wasn’t supposed to do that, but I kind of like just binged on a pack of bacon.

Speaker0:
[41:58] I’m not saying bacon’s healthy. You should not eat bacon. It was uncured bacon, thankfully. But because their body is able to burn that fat, it wasn’t just circulating in the blood causing triglycerides, right? And so their fat intake was very high, right? I think they had 70-plus grams of fat, which coming from avocados, the actual breakdown was it was largely monounsaturated. It was coming from nuts and avocados and oils and whatnot. So, you know, that’s the thing. It’s when people get their appetite hormones more regular or regulated, they just don’t feel as hungry. I mean, that is one of the most common in the very first place. Testimonials that people tell me is when I make an, when I take an insulin first approach, not glucose, not calories, not protein. When I take an insulin first approach and insulin levels lower, your appetite hormones regulate. And they’re like, I’m just not hungry. Like I can’t believe that I have no cravings for anything. Like I’m just content and satisfied. It’s like, because your body can access your stored body fat now. And it doesn’t need to force you to eat all the time because prior it was like okay you have a lot of fat in here but like I can’t use it so I need you to keep eating because that’s the only thing I can use for energy, and now it can tap into that fat stores and so it’s like oh I’m good I don’t you can eat if you want but like I’m good yeah that’s essentially what your brain is saying.

Speaker1:
[43:22] Yeah I remember reading that thing in the 1400 I was like wow because you’re eating ad libina which means just whatever you want like you can eat as much of all those allowed foods I mean there’s restrictions for the dairy in terms of portions but nothing else has portion restrictions and so people are kind of naturally settling into 1400 calories which i wonder if i mean on a diet diary day i probably wouldn’t eat my pound of bacon so it might oh no not be she didn’t report

Speaker0:
[43:49] That that was not on the diet.

Speaker1:
[43:50] I think that’s probably maybe like i’d be on my best behavior so that might be a little i don’t know if you agree it might be like lower than what they were eating um but they were the weight loss And I know it’s not all about weight loss, but I think it’s so difficult to lose weight when you’re insulin resistant. And a lot of like ketogenic diets and kind of zone diets, I’ve been looking at a lot of research for a course that I’m producing on insulin resistance. And 19 pounds in two months is like amazing. With no exercise. With no exercise. And no counting, no tracking, no restriction. They’re not restricting. I mean, they’re taking out certain foods. So maybe there’s an element of, you know, psychological restrictions like that. But you’re not hungry is the point, you know.

Speaker0:
[44:37] And did you read our second study was really, you know, not to get too sciencey, but I think it really helps explain this concept is that, you know, we had patients get under this machine and it basically just measures oxygen and how much you breathe in and out. And it tells you whether you’re burning fat or carbs. I know science is cool. So it tells you whether you’re burning fat or carbs. Well, you know, these patients were coming in after not eating for 12 hours and they were coming in and they were burning almost no fat. Like even after fasting for all night long, their body still had so much insulin in their system that they couldn’t burn their fat. And then after that, we gave them this very high shake, high fat shake. It was just basically an insure that I added 70 grams of fat to butter melted.

Speaker1:
[45:22] And also, they’re probably suffering 12 hours of no eating and they weren’t burning fat.

Speaker0:
[45:28] Well, it was just that they hadn’t eaten since 7 p.m. the night before. They came in the morning. They, you know, we took them there at rest to see how much were they burning, how much fat were they actually burning after not eating for 12 hours, which most people should be only burning fat, right? You’re not, you haven’t eaten in a while. Like, you should be getting your energy from fast stores. None. They drink this high fat shake. Basically shows they stored all that fat from the shake and just burned the little bit of sugar that was in the Ensure. And that was it. All right. After eight weeks, they come in to do it again, burning almost all fat because now their insulin has dropped after the eight weeks of following this approach. They’re burning almost all fat. They drink the high fat shake, burn almost, you know, their fat burning from that after five hours was significantly higher than before. And it just shows while you go tell a patient with insulin resistance that the only way that they’re going to reverse insulin resistance is to lose weight and eat less and exercise more and come back, you know, and they’re like, I can’t even burn fat when I’m eating nothing. And it’s true. Like I lived to that. That’s why I was a binge eater. Like I would eat nothing because I was like, nothing else works. I’ll just stop eating. And then you eventually get to a point where you eat everything and then you just have this terrible cycle. But, and it’s, it’s so validating. I mean, that study was just so validating to the people who are like, I am doing everything and nothing is working.

Speaker0:
[46:56] Um and then you know like just for the randomized control trial i’ll just say it was a it was an independent study right because with research like you have to have an independent group that can replicate your findings because that’s just that’s just important like i can’t run all the studies and be like this is so great somebody else has to do the same thing and see what they find um and they did they did a randomized control so half the patients just did general nutrition they They followed the NIH nutrition guidelines, which was more whole grains and beans and more low-fat dairy, and eat less and exercise more, and they got put on metformin.

Speaker1:
[47:32] So they also had exercise and they had metformin.

Speaker0:
[47:35] And exercise. And the other group just followed our plan with no exercise. And this was during COVID. So, I mean, this study started January of 2020. So you’ve got a lot of cortisol going along. You’ve got all these things happening. People stuck at home. And the group that followed our plan lost an average of 17 pounds. During COVID.

Speaker1:
[47:58] When everyone gained the COVID-19.

Speaker0:
[47:59] When everybody gained the weight. So they had, on average, it was between 12 and 17 pounds. And the group on the metformin and eat less and exercise more was, they gained a third of a pound. And their insulin levels went up. So it was just, yeah. So it really just is continuing to validate this. We’re missing the wrong biomarker, right? Insulin is really the only thing that matters and we’re just ignoring it. And it’s frustrating.

Speaker1:
[48:26] I think, too, in that study, if I remember correctly, the control group, so like the high grains group, was also in a calorie deficit. Like they were told to eat 500 calories less. So they were supposed to be losing a pound per week kind of thing. And then they were exercising.

Speaker0:
[48:43] Like everybody else. Yeah. They tried it because they were just standard nutrition advice, that control group. So the group that did the study was a group of reproductive endocrinologists. And they basically said, we just treated them like every other patient we treat. We have a brochure it talks about, you know, it’s just based on like the NIH nutrition information, eat less and exercise more. And if their fasting insulin was too high, which was pretty much everyone, we gave them metformin. And that was like just the standard of care. Like that’s what every other patient, except for most patients go to fertility clinics. We’re not getting their insulin tested because most fertility specialists don’t even understand that that’s the reason why these patients aren’t getting pregnant. And so, yeah, they just submitted the paper for publication. And so hopefully we’ll have that data published soon. But it was really great to have a completely independent group replicated. That study independently.

Speaker1:
[49:39] Yeah, so how many studies are there in total? There’s three, I believe.

Speaker0:
[49:44] So the three actual prospective clinical studies, one of those was a case series because out of the 24 patients in the original study, about 10 of them, not everybody was trying to get pregnant, first of all. Some of these patients were just trying to lose weight or improve their symptoms. But 10 of the patients, even though they, you know, were infertile, they had issues with pregnant, were getting pregnant. They were seeing a fertility specialist, which should say a lot. They got pregnant very quickly. And we had some, we had probably four or five patients who had to drop out of the study because they got pregnant in the two-month study. And they actually, so the fertility specialist wrote that up as a case series to said, you know, they talked about each patient. It was like, this patient has been infertile for this time. They’d done these different things and essentially showed that the average time to conception in these patients was 86 days after starting this lifestyle change. 86 days.

Speaker1:
[50:42] That’s the average. So it had sooner. Yeah.

Speaker0:
[50:45] And it blows my mind. You know, I have a friend, a couple of friends who have PCOS. And they, one of them had five miscarriages in like an 18-month period. And her doctor would refuse to test her insulin. And he said, your A1C is normal. You don’t need to test your insulin. Like, refused.

Speaker0:
[51:06] And, I mean, it just blows my mind. It just blows my mind.

Speaker1:
[51:09] Yeah, I think in your, there’s a lecture that you have on YouTube where you talk about how high insulin can increase the risk of miscarriage and pregnancy complications. So it’s not even just about getting pregnant. It’s also what the high insulin does to the health. Yeah.

Speaker0:
[51:24] And that’s not even just PCOS. I mean, you know, that’s there was this really awesome study out of Columbia University, this group that their fertility division and their maternal fetal medicine department that was that does a lot of research on miscarriage. And this was published in Fertility and Sterility, which is, you know, the biggest fertility journal. And what they did is they said, okay, we’ve been testing glucose and A1C standard when somebody comes in with recurrent miscarriage, which means they’ve had at least two miscarriages within account, two repetitive miscarriages. And so they were like, but we’re testing their glucose and their A1C and it’s normal and it’s not necessarily associated with a higher risk of miscarriage. So what they did is they took some of these, they had patients who miscarried, and they took some of these early placenta cells, okay, and they put them in a petri dish, and they exposed them to either high levels of glucose or high levels of insulin.

Speaker0:
[52:26] And what they found was that high glucose levels did absolutely nothing to those early placental cells. Nothing. High levels of insulin was as toxic to the developing placenta as chemotherapy drugs. And yet somebody comes in with recurrent miscarriage, and we don’t even test insulin. We only test glucose. And so that group alone, I mean, they’re a huge fertility center in back Columbia. And they were like, we’re missing the boat. In our clinic, we’re going to start testing insulin in every person. So it’s just, there are people that are out there talking about it,

Speaker0:
[52:59] but it just hasn’t made it fully there.

Speaker1:
[53:04] Yeah, it’s like it needs to kind of just, like, it’s like a Venn diagram. We’re not quite focusing in properly on what we should be. Yeah, and so back to the results. I mean, amazing. Like, people are getting pregnant. They’re losing consistently. Like, it’s not, I mean, I have a friend who’s started your program. Um, she’s on like day five and she’s like giving me a daily update. She’s like, I was so hungry. Now she’s like, I’m not hungry anymore. I feel amazing. I’ve lost just like half a pound, like almost a pound a day. It’s wild. She’s just like dropping. It’s just coming off. Your body’s like

Speaker0:
[53:40] Can actually access that stored fat and do what it’s supposed to do, which is. Burn it for energy.

Speaker1:
[53:47] And this is her like trying carnivore and keto just before and it wasn’t really working. And she was like, she’s trying to breastfeed. It wasn’t, you know, so this is like she’s like mind blown. And so she was telling me to ask you certain things. But, you know, I was when I was kind of selling her the protocol, I was like, no, she’s legit. She’s like, she’s repeated these results. It’s not just, you know, a one time study where people lost a bunch of weight. Like this is it’s a consistent result. where people are losing 17 to 19 pounds in two months by following this plan, you know, so you don’t have like a super loser in your group or something like that that’s doing the results.

Speaker1:
[54:24] So it’s pretty miraculous. Like it really is amazing. Yeah.

Speaker0:
[54:29] Well, so, you know, I don’t know if I don’t share it too much on my page yet, but I am working with the FDA. So I don’t know if you’re aware of that. So I’ve been working with the FDA for the last year. I’ve met with them five times. I have my next meeting with them in a week and a half because I’m trying to get my this app. So I’m launching an app. So it will officially be launched on May 19th. It is in the app stores right now. Do not. We’re still working on the back end, but we have to make it to get it in the app store and then we’re working on it. So I haven’t told anybody it’s there. It’s it’s there. It’s not really functioning yet. So we are officially launching it on May 19th. But one of the things that we’re trying to or that I’m trying to do is get FDA cleared as a what is called a software as a medical device. People have heard of software as a service, whatever. So now the FDA regulates this type of medical device, which is a software. So apps are considered software as a medical device. So, you know, there’s a few that are approved for diabetes, some that are approved for depression. So this would be the very first approved for insulin resistance or PCOS.

Speaker0:
[55:34] But, you know, I have to do this big study. right? You have to do a big, study, uh, to support that clearance. Um, and I have an entire independent group, a different independent group. So, um, I’m very, very proud to say that my, the PI or the person who’s basically the ringleader of this study is, um, Dr. Timothy Garvey. He’s the director of obesity research at, um, University of Alabama, Birmingham, which is a huge research center. Um, he’s an, you know, internationally known endocrinologist. So he is taking the study and like, I have a dermatologist dermatologist, a clinical dermatologist at University of Texas. I have an obstetric neurologist who’s doing all of like the mood evaluation changes after using this. She’s at Baylor. I have another dietitian, PhD dietitian who’s out in California. So, I mean, it’s truly independent, right? Like I can’t have anything to do with it. And so, and they’re basically where they’re having patients use our app. So, they’ll use the app for eight weeks, follow the guidance. It has recipes and meal plans and all the things. And after eight weeks, we test their blood before and after and submit it to the FDA for approval. So we’re hoping to have that next year, which would really just be, you know.

Speaker0:
[56:50] Amazing for patients and amazing to like really have this become like the standard treatment for insulin resistance is an insulin first approach.

Speaker1:
[57:02] Yeah like to just have your doctor be able to give you that advice it’ll actually work so it’s motivating you feel a lot better you’re not as hungry um you’re even your taste buds change because you’re like you’re you’re interacting with whole foods that aren’t spiking your insulin so your like cravings and your appetite are all regulated and oriented towards what the food that you’re getting as opposed to like random you know you’re not ending up at the bottom of a bag of potato chips because you’re like blood

Speaker0:
[57:30] Sugars drain i need more glucose and i can’t get it and i need to eat this.

Speaker1:
[57:34] Yeah and

Speaker0:
[57:36] So that’s why you know i don’t necessarily i don’t necessarily condemn the use of the glp1 drugs because GLP-1 is an important appetite hormone. And tons of data, research has shown that when people have high insulin levels, they have lower GLP-1 because insulin is a master hormone. It affects everything, including your appetite hormone. So when insulin is off, your appetite is really unregulated. And the GLP-1 drugs are kind of just like bypassing that whole system just to like flood the body with GLP-1 so that you don’t feel as hungry, which is fine. But the thing is is that if you were just to focus on this you would increase naturally levels the glp1 because insulin is suppressing that you know so um that’s where i’m like you can you could do that that drug but you have to realize like you’re not fixing the problem and the problem’s going to come back the appetite problem the weight problem is going to come back until you fix the underlying hormonal problem cause of why you are hungry all the time in the first place you know Yeah.

Speaker1:
[58:40] Yeah, because, I mean, the problem, I think, it’s a common criticism with those drugs is that it can be a really important tool. I mean, some people have a lot of weight to lose, you know, it’s causing a lot of problems. But if you’re just having less Doritos, like it’s just about appetite suppression, and you’re not shifting your dietary patterns, and you’re not kind of using it as an opportunity to learn and to change things, then you’re either stuck on them forever, getting nutrient deficient and losing muscle mass, or you’re just going to gain the weight back. So you have to kind of change things. So it’s why not try the diet first, the exercise first, and then use them as a tool if you have like 300 pounds to lose or something.

Speaker1:
[59:22] You know, if you have a lot of weight to lose, maybe they could be helpful. But yeah. That’s what Dr.

Speaker0:
[59:26] Gardy wants to do, right? He’s like, after we do this study, you know, if you would be interested in sponsoring another study to look at patients on GLP-1 drugs who also follow this plan, right? Because taking a GLP-1 drug actually stimulates insulin secretion. And so if you’re eating foods causing even more insulin secretion and you’re in a calorie deficit because you’re not eating as much, you’re just eating less of insulin spiking foods, you’re actually losing muscle because it goes back to the body not being able to burn fat. And so it needs to make up that calorie deficit somewhere and it’s going to pull from your muscle. So that’s really why you’re seeing a lot of muscle mass on these drugs. And so when you, he was like, if we could pair something like this with the GLP-1 drugs, then while you’re getting your own appetite hormones more regulated, you have this. And then when you come off of it, you don’t see such a huge shift in making, you know, wanting to go back to eating all the time because now you’ve fixed the underlying cause. That is how those GLP-1 drugs should be used. But they’re not being used because they’re not giving the right information. They’re not giving the right education. And they’re sending them home telling them to eat more whole grains and beans and low-fat dairy and then they’re just in this cycle of bad. And so if we could come out with that data, I think it would be, you know, life-changing, I think.

Speaker1:
[1:00:46] That’d be really interesting. Yeah, it’d be interesting to see, like, what people actually, I’m wondering if there’s data on, like, what do people end up eating when they’re on a GLP-1? Like, what are their macronutrient spreads? Because people tend to lose appetite for, like, high-fiber foods, protein foods. Like, you don’t want satiating foods. You want just kind of easy to absorb, easy to digest. You’re nauseous. So you’re probably going to go for more starchy foods i would assume but

Speaker0:
[1:01:12] Well except for now everything it’s like well you need to be a you need to be making eating more protein so you don’t lose so much muscle mass it’s like the reason they’re thought the reason they’re losing muscle mass is not because they’re not drinking whey protein shakes like in fact that might worsen it so it’s it’s that message and so now you’ve got all these food companies that are going about to come out with tons of protein rich snacks because they’re trying to attack they’re trying to attach themselves to the people who are taking these drugs who are trying to eat more protein and those snacks are just the same processed crap with now processed way back i saw that that there’s like very like.

Speaker1:
[1:01:57] Big food is trying to design foods that kind of override the natural appetite suppression so that you still stay addicted so it’s like a whole hot mess

Speaker0:
[1:02:07] I don’t know if it’s that or they’re just trying to appeal to this new customer who’s like well i’m not really hungry but i have to get my protein in so i’m gonna eat this protein snickers and it’s gonna be better for me so it’s just, and it’s sad and it’s scary and you know that’s that’s where we’re going because everything you scroll on instagram one time and all it talks about is if you don’t get 50 grams of protein for breakfast and you can just kiss your biceps goodbye. And it’s like, hmm.

Speaker1:
[1:02:37] Yeah. But maybe, yeah.

Speaker0:
[1:02:39] I’m not saying protein is important. I’m saying you don’t need 50 grams.

Speaker1:
[1:02:44] Yeah. Like if you’re, yeah, regulating your insulin levels, are you just, are you going to be better at using and maintaining your muscle mass and burning fat instead of burning your muscle, you know, the protein from your muscle to make glucose?

Speaker0:
[1:02:58] Yes.

Speaker1:
[1:03:00] Like those people, those sugar burners in your, in the study that you referenced were probably just breaking down their muscle mass.

Speaker0:
[1:03:06] Yeah they’re breaking down like shake yes the amino acids that they because you know when you eat protein it your body breaks it down into the amino acids and then it uses those whatever it needs right whatever amino acid it needs to build whatever that is whether it’s hair because there’s like you know whatever amino acids they need at the time for those things so that’s like an amino acid pool which is why every single food you eat doesn’t have to be a complete protein because it’s just getting broken down into these bricks right and they’re just pulling the bricks as they need them. But that’s what’s happening is that those sugar burners were essentially just burning yesterday’s excess protein that he didn’t need, which because a lot of times we’re eating more protein than we actually need. Not everybody. Some people are not. But now I feel like people are.

Speaker0:
[1:03:51] Putting a scoop of whey protein into their Greek yogurt, which is like a lot of protein in one sitting. And it’s just breaking that down into those bricks that they can then use for energy if they can’t get enough body fat. So that’s basically what they were doing because you can break amino acids down into like essentially glucose and just burn that. So metabolism is very complex, right? It can definitely overwhelm people.

Speaker0:
[1:04:16] But I think at the end of the day, if it if it seems excessive it probably is um and if it seems too good to be true it probably is like going back to the instagram account on glucose regulation you know if you are adding there’s this idea of food combining of if you add if you’re going to eat carbs you need to make sure you add fat or proteins to it and it will make sure that your glucose doesn’t rise too fast and sure, there are all kinds of beautiful CGM reports that will support this message that as long as you add butter to your bread, then it will be okay because your glucose doesn’t rise. But what that’s doing is when you have a lot of fat and a lot of glucose in the bloodstream at one time, it actually, the fat, I remember my biochemistry teacher in college said, When you have too much fatty acids and too much glucose in the bloodstream at one time, what that does is it’s like throwing gum in a lock. Those fatty acids block the insulin from working. So then the pancreas does what?

Speaker0:
[1:05:28] Sends out even more, right? So you have this huge insulin spike happening in the background, which is driving that blood glucose down. So what you see on your CGM is adding butter to my bread stopped that glucose spike. That’s so great. But what you don’t know in the background is the insulin bomb that happened to keep that glucose level normal. And that’s what the problem is. So, yeah.

Speaker0:
[1:05:52] It’s unfortunate because I think now 5 million people think that as long as they add peanut butter to their ice cream or their, you know, whatever, that it’s like better. Again, I’m going to do that. It’s more nuanced than that.

Speaker1:
[1:06:07] Yeah, like I, this is why yours have blew my mind because I, I was sort of recommend, I mean, there is a separate benefit to regulating blood sugar, obviously, but it, it, the story is more holistic. Think it makes more sense in the context of insulin because insulin is damaging. So it’s like not about regulating blood sugar at the expense of insulin spikes. It’s, but you know, so I would recommend to people, okay, you’re addicted to donuts and you’re going to get a donut nut to put some peanut butter on it to regulate it. And there’s a bit of like maybe delayed gastric emptying or delayed release of glucose. But when I saw your comment, I was like, yeah, I knew this from biochemistry, but for some reason didn’t put it together.

Speaker1:
[1:06:49] And it may speak to, to give myself some compassion and credit, it may speak to just how we’re so not focused on insulin, even in holistic space.

Speaker0:
[1:06:58] Like you said, there is an aspect of managing glucose. That’s true. But if you are managing the insulin, then it’s working well. It’s working, it’s doing what it needs to do. And you don’t really need to focus on the glucose. So I have a lot of people say, well, if I have commented to that post or sent me direct messages, they’re like, well, so does that mean that I should just, well, what if I want to eat gummy bears? Like, is it worse to add almonds to my gummy bears or just eat the gummy bears by themselves? And I said, well, this is the actually, what you need to realize is that, you know, if you want it, if you want to eat Oreos, do it infrequently and enjoy them. And if you want to dip them in peanut butter, do it because it’s delicious but don’t lie to yourself that the peanut butter has somehow made the oreos better for you because it didn’t and it actually was probably worse but it’s it’s more about enjoying the foods you want to eat and enjoying them and not feeling like you have to add something to it to make it better because then you’re then you’re mentally thinking well oh i can just i’ll eat you know whatever i’ll eat the bread because i’ll just put the butter on it and it will cancel it out that is just human nature and that is what people do because their cgm tells them that that’s better and that’s just not the case and so it’s it’s not necessarily that that eating it by itself is good by any means but i don’t think anybody needed to tell you that eating gummy bears wasn’t good for you right i’m trying to tell you that yeah adding almonds doesn’t make them better yeah.

Speaker1:
[1:08:27] It’s like just let them serve their purpose which is

Speaker0:
[1:08:30] Just serve their purpose enjoy them enjoy them and try make them as infrequently as possible because life is meant to be lived, enjoy the things occasionally, but, adding protein and fat. And like you said, with the delayed gastric emptying, my challenge to that is ideally what you want is you want insulin to be released after a meal, help bring your blood and then you want it to come down, right? And you want it to be low so that between meals, you’re pulling fat from your body fat. And then it goes up again after a meal and then it comes down. And then after dinner and while you’re sleeping, it’s low. I mean, that’s really the idea, ideal. You want it to go up and then back down, up and then back down quickly.

Speaker0:
[1:09:09] When you are adding protein to gummy bears now you’re adding like you know some cheese to gummy bears or something what that’s doing it is delayed delaying that gastric emptying but it’s not, it’s not getting rid of the glucose you’re still going to absorb all the glucose from those gummy bears but now you’re just doing it over time well what does that mean that means glucose levels are higher in the system for longer and insulin levels are higher in the system for longer right versus just having it go up and then come back down i’m not saying you should just eat the gummy bears you shouldn’t eat gummy bears but if you do just do it because you like it and try to do it as least less frequently as possible but if otherwise if you’re just eating fruits and vegetables and nuts and seeds and proteins and all of that then you would eat your insulin would come up moderately do what it needs to do and then come back down versus you know eating a biscuit with eggs on it. Like, okay, it’s not going to have a huge glucose spike, but now you’re just going to have glucose higher for longer as it slowly enters the bloodstream. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. And then really at the end of the day, there is no way that you’re going to slice it, cut it or whatever. Starch is going to lead to higher glucose and there’s nothing you’re going to add to it that is going to make it better. So if you have to have it, enjoy it. Don’t lie to yourself that doing something has made it better for you. Just move on and try to do better at the next meal. That’s my advice.

Speaker1:
[1:10:31] Drink water. Yeah. And also, if you’re healing insulin resistance in the background, you’re able to kind of come down again, right? You’re dealing with this cause.

Speaker1:
[1:10:40] So maybe you’ve better tolerance for those random spikes and you eat your Oreos and you get done.

Speaker0:
[1:10:46] And your liver is better able to clear that insulin from the blood. So like one of the studies that that influencer likes to use a lot is a study that shows, well, if you add protein and fat to starch and sugar, it leads to lower glucose levels. Well, yes, but in the exact same study, it talks about how insulin levels rose 52%, in the same period, right? And part of that was because it increased insulin secretion, and part of that was in decreased insulin clearance. Because when you add the fat and the protein to your fat and the starch, the body’s like, well, I can’t get rid of this glucose or this insulin. I have to have this insulin here because something has to get rid of this glucose. So that’s why it increases insulin secretion and prevents the liver from actually getting rid of excess insulin from the blood. So you just have more insulin, right? More insulin means less less blood sugar. So, you know, if you read the article, it says that very, very blatantly. Like, I think it was on like the sixth line. It was like, it increases insulin secretion and decreases insulin clearance. And it’s like, you’re.

Speaker1:
[1:11:50] Yeah, but you’re an insulin researcher. So you’re like, you see it right away, but everyone else is like, that’s great. Higher insulin is what we want, right? That’s, that’s what we do with our job.

Speaker0:
[1:11:59] Exactly. I commented on her post like a year ago, or this person’s post like over a year ago. And I said something to that effect. I was like, you can’t manage a glucose and just ignore the insulin. And I think she has some moderators. And one of her moderators said, she’s not an insulin expert. She’s a glucose expert. And I was like.

Speaker1:
[1:12:17] Like, okay.

Speaker0:
[1:12:18] Okay, I have to walk away.

Speaker1:
[1:12:20] I know everyone knows exactly what we’re talking about. I mean, there’s no reason to not say the name, but it’s funny too, because the approach isn’t, like, clinically, when I’m working with people, it’s not an easier approach necessarily. Like, you know, I actually had one patient I’m just thinking of who, you know, we got blood work back, she’s insulin resistant, I started educating her on what that means. And she’s like, you’re not going to make me follow the, you know, this influencer stuff, are you? Where it’s like, you know, fiber before your meal, which is maybe not a horrible advice. And like adding, it’s like, you’re not going to make me follow that, are you? But when I’m recommending the low insulin lifestyle, which I have been doing, actually, a lot of people are like happy to receive it. Like it’s, there’s something very validating about understanding the symptoms. And the diet is very manageable for people, like kind of psychologically. You can eat what you want. It’s logical. It makes sense. It’s not like like low FODMAP diets. There’s certain fruits and vegetables that people don’t categorize that you’re allowed and you’re not allowed. At this one, it’s you’re allowed all the fruit you want, all the non-starchy vegetables, all the animal protein, your six ounces of Greek yogurt or an ounce of cheese, all the fat you want and avoid sugar. And then you have like it’s a very little it’s a small blur that I send people.

Speaker0:
[1:13:36] Yeah, it’s a small little thing. And there’s always, you know, you have allulus and monk fruit and all these other things. So you can still have those. I cook with almond flour all the time. I mean, I make almost, I have tons of stuff with almond flour. I mean, I make Cheez-Its. Like I just mix almond flour and egg and some cheddar cheese and I roll it out and I air fry them. And it’s like, you know, so I, there are so many, and that’s part of, you know, what will be on the app is just hundreds of recipes, like things like this to really help. And I’m, I’m not doing a plug, but I’m just saying I am coming out. A guidebook, because I feel like the original book is very silency, but in a layman’s perspective. And if we need to stop, we can. I mean, I’m good. But… Is this guidebook that’s like, if, okay, you know, this is a lot of science. I like to know, and it’s important to know, but I want to know, like, how do I really incorporate this? And some people want something tangible. So in the next month or so, I’m launching a guidebook, which is like, it really still goes into the details of the studies and the data and the science, but with more pictures, less words, more, you know, recipes, meal plans, how to eat at restaurants, what to do in the holidays, how to build a grocery list, how to read a nutrition label. Like, I mean, just kind of like this more reference guide that’s more tangible for people who don’t want to use an app. You know, they can have a book, be very colorful. They can set it in their kitchen and like reference whenever they want. So that’s, I think will help be helpful too.

Speaker1:
[1:14:59] It’s so good. Yeah. It’s your Instagram account is great too. You have lots of good recipes. Like, but I think, I think one thing we might’ve missed is why is fruit allowed? Because I think people might be wondering that. I don’t know. Okay.

Speaker0:
[1:15:11] So fruit is part glucose and part fructose. Now, fructose gets a very bad reputation for good reason. Too much fructose overwhelms the liver, leads to fatty liver, which is like high fructose corn syrup. So fructose in large amounts, really bad. Actually, just a history lesson. One of the reasons why they came out with high fructose corn syrup, aside from it just being very cheap and very sweet, was because it had less glucose. They thought it would be better for diabetics. Because it wouldn’t lead to the same glucose response. Does that make sense?

Speaker1:
[1:15:43] Yeah. They didn’t realize that. We’ll throw this in. It’ll be great.

Speaker0:
[1:15:47] What could go wrong? It’ll be so healthy. And then they were like, oh, this was a problem. They don’t care. They still add it to everything. But we know that excess fructose is a problem. Now, whole fruit.

Speaker0:
[1:15:58] Well, sorry. The good thing about fructose in its naturally occurring form amounts is that it requires zero insulin release for metabolism. So fructose does not elicit any insulin relief. So that’s, again, why they thought, oh, high fructose corn syrup would be great, but no. So the amount of fructose in a whole raw fruit is not going to overwhelm your liver, right? You have that fiber. It is going to slow that digestion. So you’re getting a slow trickle of the fructose instead of just, you know, a soda. So because it’s part fructose and because fructose does not elicit any insulin response, fructose as a whole has a lower insulin response. Now, fruit still has glucose and you still might see something on your CGM or something, but it’s still going to be far less than, you know, having a whole apple as compared to a third of a cup of quinoa is very different, right? And so the amount of glucose in a whole apple is maybe 10 grand. It’s like 6 grams of fructose, about 10 grams of glucose, whereas 36 grams in a third of a cup of quinoa. So it’s really just thinking about that perspective is that fruit doesn’t have that huge insulin response because it’s part fructose.

Speaker0:
[1:17:22] And I always like to tell people, too, agave nectar.

Speaker0:
[1:17:27] Is worse than high fructose corn syrup. Agave nectar is 90% fructose. High fructose corn syrup is only 55% fructose. So you’re drinking straight fructose when you’re having agave nectar. So I just try to tell people just because it’s natural sugar doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s better.

Speaker1:
[1:17:47] Yeah, that’s a good point. Yeah. And I think one thing that you stress is that there’s no limits on fruit. So people are eating as much food as they want, which when I hear that, I’m like, Dr. Allie, I don’t think you know me. Like maybe you’ve done research, but maybe you haven’t met people like me. Like I could eat a lot of fruit if you’re just going to let me go. But it looks like people were eating about 90 grams of carbs, which is fairly low carb. And your desire, yeah, kind of.

Speaker0:
[1:18:14] Your desire goes down. You’re like, I eat fruit every day, but I probably eat like, I don’t know like two pieces of fruit maybe like sometimes one sometimes two sometimes more but again it’s one of those things where you’re just full you’re eating a lot of fiber you’re eating a lot of fat and protein and you just like fruit is great but you’re just not as hungry and you’re definitely not as hungry for carbs so it’s just one of those where you still eat them but it’s not one of those like I want to eat you know this whole bowl of fruit you just have your your taste buds and your appetite changes.

Speaker1:
[1:18:48] Yeah, this is so good. What have you seen beyond two months? I don’t know if you’ve tracked people or worked with people or just in personal experience. How long does it typically take for people to get their insulin into the normal range? It looked like people’s HbA1c was all normalized after two months.

Speaker0:
[1:19:06] It was normal to begin with. Yeah.

Speaker1:
[1:19:10] Sorry, their HOMA-IR. HOMA-IR was what I wanted to say.

Speaker0:
[1:19:12] Yeah, yeah. So we haven’t done any studies beyond eight weeks. Okay. Right. Just from financially, right? The longer the study it is, the more money. And even the new study, it’s called the Lilac study, the Lilly App clinical study. The Lilac study is also eight weeks. Because from research, it’s hard to like do these. Now, after the eight weeks, we will give the participants the ability to say, would you be interested in continuing to follow this? and, you know, continuing to even just report patient-reported outcomes, like how their acne has changed. There’s some of these very validated, like, PCOS quality of life surveys that we’ll administer once a month just to continue to keep that data, have them self-report their weight once a month. You know, so I’m excited about doing more research. You know, part of the revenue from our company as a whole will go to continuing to provide more funding for research because I want to do all kinds of, you know, research. But.

Speaker0:
[1:20:13] Beyond what after you know eight weeks like I have quite a few Instagram influencers like one girl I think she’s lost she went from like 190 and now she’s 135 she’s pregnant right now so but she’s she’s been following me for over a year a year and a half um and then a personal friend or a family friend of mine she was four foot 11 and 190 and she’s now 135 and she’s that’s been two and a half years and she’s been like just steady at 135 and she she had a stroke like 10 years ago and her doctor now took her off all of her meds because her her blood levels of everything are normal so it is sustainable because it teaches you to think about food in a different way you’re not thinking about of calories and i need to eat more i need to exercise to burn off something it’s it’s thinking of it you know in a different way and i i’ve plenty of people that are like i’ve lost so much weight i’ve gotten around i got rid of all of my fat clothes because i have no concern that i’m ever going to keep it off like i i have no no issue um or others will say i’ll go on vacation and like i’ll do whatever i want but it’s okay because i come home and i get right back on it and the water weight that i’ve gained is off in a week you know and i’m back right back to my normal so it’s like you can still enjoy your life um and have those moments where you can just.

Speaker0:
[1:21:35] Eat what you want as long as you know what your default is. You’re going to come home and you’re going to get back on your default and you’re going to give your pancreas a break from the damage you just did. I don’t want to say damage. From the enjoyment that you’ve had and then you’re going to go back and you’re going to give your pancreas a break. So I have what’s called a bounce back blueprint that I put in the it’s like, you’re going to wake up you’re going to drink a bunch of water or you’re going to go for a long walk. Like how to get back into all right I’m going to get back into mine.

Speaker1:
[1:22:04] That’s good. Yeah, it’s good from kind of like, like a binge eating perspective, right? It’s like, okay, like, no all or nothing thinking, just get back on it. And, and, you know, you’re not, I think you’ve talked about the keto diet. And this is because you’re eating carbs, and you’re just getting your carbs from fruit and vegetables. You’re not like, going on vacation, getting out of ketosis, then having a switch back in going through that whole metabolic process,

Speaker0:
[1:22:29] Like you’re just a few weeks.

Speaker1:
[1:22:30] Yeah, you’re just okay, I’ll just I’m just probably going to eat a lot of bananas the first day until everything regulates and then and then my appetite will settle and I’m not having to like metabolically switch in that way that, you know, can cause side effects for people or this idea of like, you’re either in it or out of it.

Speaker0:
[1:22:50] Because ketosis is I mean keto basically lowers insulin that’s what it’s that’s what it’s doing it’s just doing it in a very aggressive way and when your insulin lowers that that low and you don’t have any glucose that you’re eating your body has no choice but to switch over and burn only fat which is what is releasing those ketones and what your body is using but, That that leads to that keto flu, because until your insulin level is lower enough to where you can burn that body fat, your brain is like, I don’t have anything here. Like, I don’t have enough glucose. I don’t have enough fat to eat to use because your insulin is too high. You really have to wait until you get to that switch where you can lower insulin and you can start burning all that body fat. But here is this more of a middle ground because your insulin levels are lowering, but you still have some glucose that you’re eating from the fruits and the vegetables. So it’s more of like what’s called metabolically flexible you’re you’re you’re able to burn glucose when you need to and then your insulin levels fall and then you can burn some body fat and then you eat again and you can burn some glucose and then you can burn some body fat you’re just your body is and that’s a term like that’s an actual term metabolic flexibility that you are flexible and that you can burn whatever it is that you need um most people can’t do that right most people can’t burn body fat can’t burn fat for energy um and then keto it’s just a very aggressive way of lowering insulin and wanting to just never have a glucose well you don’t really have to do that right like you can there is a middle ground yeah.

Speaker1:
[1:24:17] Which is yeah which is so refreshing to see and like you know it’s well received like people love it like oh i can have as much fruit okay because we’re told often that fruit is bad and everything is confusing you know

Speaker0:
[1:24:30] Because it’s glucose right they think oh if carbs are bad carbs are bad like think of it more of like how it’s affecting your metabolism, right? And how you’re, and people think of metabolism as just like how many calories you burn every day. No, no. Metabolism means how you use the food that you eat for energy or store it as fat. And if you’re eating foods that are constantly forcing insulin release, then you’re storing it as fat. You know, that’s just what’s happening. So, and eating big breakfast to boost your metabolism, that’s, eat when you want if you’re not a breakfast person don’t eat breakfast right like this is getting rid of every single food rule there is one rule if it spikes your insulin you should avoid it as much as you can if it doesn’t spike your insulin eat it whenever you want you know that is there is one rule you know and that really it makes people feel refreshed like the amount of, brain space that I don’t spend on food because I just and you know for 10 plus years the amount I mean the amount of time I spent worried about food and calories and carbs and working out and protein and everything else like it’s just like free up your brain for other things in life that bring you joy you know that’s really the most important thing.

Speaker1:
[1:25:52] Yeah I can relate to that so much you know and even the being a sugar burner like being metabolically inflexible when I first learned about it I was like yeah that’s me every two hours I need to eat and it feels like you’re not you know especially if you’re if you are a calorie like I was a calorie tracker for a while and I’d be like how am I burnt like if this has 500 calories why am I hungry you know based on this whole calories in calories out all the biochemistry that you learn like I should be full for i don’t know longer than two hours i’m not burning 500 calories sitting here and studying um and so when i learned about that i was like oh yeah i’m not accessing the fat from my food or my body i’m just running on sugar it’s like a bat like a car with a race car engine or something i’m like burning all the gas out and having to refuel constantly and it’s mad

Speaker0:
[1:26:40] And this is nine out of ten i think it’s like four out of ten kids they did a study you could test the insulin levels of a five-year-old right now. And it will tell you whether they’re going to be overweight, have type early diabetes, a five-year-old. And they did finger pricks at school for like thousands of kids. And they measured them. They followed them over the course of like, I think, 10 years or so. And they said the number one strongest predictor of early, you know, adolescent obesity was elevated fasting insulin at age five. And it’s so sad. It is. There’s so much to be done. And I will say, people are going to be like, well, why are people not talking about this? Why are doctors not talking about this? Why are you measuring it? I can tell you in one very simple way. Because the only time that clinical guidelines actually change is when somebody foots the bill. And it’s usually Big Pharma. So when Big Pharma came out with cholesterol-lowering drugs, they had the teams that worked with the clinical societies. They worked with the insurance companies. They worked on developing the standard ranges because they had a solution to a problem that they needed to make sure that everybody understood the problem so they would buy the solution.

Speaker1:
[1:28:02] Mm-hmm.

Speaker0:
[1:28:03] And unfortunately, there is no drug in development for lowering insulin levels. And so because of that, there is nobody footing the bill for increasing access to this information, to making sure that we have standard ranges, to make sure the insurance companies are reimbursing for this. I mean, it is, it takes deep pockets to do that. And the only people who have pockets deep enough are big pharma. And there’s no drug on the horizon to lower insulin. And that is the reason. Because they have huge field forces to go out and educate every single doctor about you need to measure this and why. And look at our data. And this is so important. And look at the outcomes for people who lower than, there’s nobody doing that.

Speaker1:
[1:28:40] Yeah. It was a whole task force around fat, cholesterol. It was like decades of people all getting together and deciding on these guidelines. And, you know, and that I’m just thinking about the kid with high insulin who, you know, let’s say the parents are like, OK, we’re going to put some effort in and we’re going to look at your diet and we’re going to follow the guidelines. We’re going to put, you know, pay attention to labels and we’re going to probably be eating our six.

Speaker0:
[1:29:05] We’re going to eat whole grain.

Speaker1:
[1:29:09] Yeah. Which, you know, so it’s like we take our effort, our best intentions and then we’re we’re not applying the right interventions. And people give up you

Speaker0:
[1:29:19] Know yes and then they’re like but whole grains are good for you i’m not saying that they don’t have nutrition that doesn’t mean they’re good for somebody with glucose intolerance which is essentially almost everyone so you know yeah they think that they have the best intentions they go to the store they buy the whole grain goldfish instead of the regular goldfish and they buy the protein special K because it has more protein and low calories and they mix it with the low fat skin milk. And literally every single one of those choices could not put more insulin into the system. I mean, it is literally flooding it. And it’s like, Oh, there’s another dietitian influencer on, on Instagram. And she basically was like, if your kid is struggling and you should, if they want to have KFC and they want to eat the biscuits, you just need to make sure that you give them the chicken leg with the biscuit because the chicken leg gives you the protein and the fat. And so that’ll offset the biscuit. I mean, this is a dietitian. She has hundreds of thousands of followers and it’s just maddening. It’s maddening and so and i feel like nobody can win for losing because they’re just they’re like i’m following all this advice and my kid’s getting worse or you know and it’s just yeah.

Speaker1:
[1:30:38] I really feel like it doesn’t work or i’m broken work or yeah

Speaker0:
[1:30:41] I made a i made a post recently that we go to conferences we go to the big conflict the big fertility conference and whatnot and i i have i’ve had many doctors tell me fertility specialists tell me i don’t send my pso my pcos patients to dieticians anymore because they come back worse than they started because that they get told eat more whole grains and beans and low-fat dairy and they come back and they’re heavier than they started yeah i.

Speaker1:
[1:31:03] Have a patient i’m thinking with prediabetes who’s already on like maxo and the metformin dose and her dietician is like okay when your blood sugar drops because you’re on metformin and you’re not diabetic so your blood sugar is going too low and it’s but you know metformin is lower in blood sugar it is lung insulin a little bit but not enough and uh it’s like just have a candy. Take candies with you and have candies to bring your blood sugar up. I put a diabetic patient.

Speaker0:
[1:31:28] It’s just granola bar. Like, oh my God.

Speaker1:
[1:31:31] Terrible. So it’s just, and even she was like, this isn’t working. I feel like trash. Like, I’m not going to go anymore.

Speaker0:
[1:31:38] Dietitians do not understand insulin resistance. It’s not taught in school. I mean, I graduated in from my bachelor’s in 2009. So that was a long time ago. And I was really hopeful that they’d at least caught up with the data. But I have another follower who’s currently getting her bachelor’s in nutrition. She’s like, The only thing I’ve learned about insulin is that you give it to diabetics to lower their blood sugar and that’s it. Like they do not learn about this. So if everything looks like a hammer, if all you have is a hammer and everything looks like a nail, everyone’s getting the same advice. Yeah.

Speaker1:
[1:32:10] Terrible. It’s flashy.

Speaker0:
[1:32:12] You can tell I’m very passionate about this.

Speaker1:
[1:32:14] This is so good. This is so informative. I think people are really going to love this. My last question is, you know, about men. So I know your research is PCOS. We’re talking more broadly about insulin resistance. I think what’s really beautiful about your research is that it’s done on women because so much is not done on women at all. And so conventional advice like intermittent fasting, cold therapy, all this stuff that’s so great and influencers are recommending may not be great for women who have different hormones, different considerations.

Speaker1:
[1:32:42] But this is like these are results done on women. And everybody who’s done a diet with their male partner knows like he loses like 50 pounds, I lose one, you know? Yeah. But my friend wanted to know if if this applies to men, which I think the answer is obvious. But yeah.

Speaker0:
[1:32:59] I mean, it applies to everyone. Right. Kids, pregnant women, men, everything. Because for men, you know, one of the bigger issues is around the age 35, they start to have a reduction in testosterone. Right. Let’s call it menopause. They start to have a reduction in testosterone just naturally, which coincides with an increase in insulin. So a lot of times they’ll see that they’re having Dabod, which may not be anything to do with what they are changed in their eating or exercise. But when you have higher insulin, you start to gain weight and a large part of that goes to your stomach.

Speaker0:
[1:33:31] And more so, that’s even more problematic with that is that when you have more fat tissue, That fat tissue has an enzyme called aromatase. And what happens is testosterone gets converted to estrogen into that fat tissue. So now not only do you have this natural decline in testosterone, but now whatever testosterone is left and being pumped out is getting turned into estrogen, right? So you have a, that’s what’s causing men to have low testosterone. And the only therapy we’re giving is to do testosterone injections or testosterone replacement therapy, but you’re not getting to the real reason why they have the low testosterone in the first place.

Speaker0:
[1:34:13] That’s one of the problems, but that also leads to erectile dysfunction because now you have more chronic inflammation, which inflames, you know, all of your vascular system, but also, you know, having lower testosterone. So all of that kind of compounds to lead to erectile dysfunction, which is one of the earliest symptoms of insulin resistance in men. People, I had no idea. A third of men experience erectile dysfunction. That is a very early sign of problems. Before they have anything wrong with their labs, before anything happens, if they’re experiencing erectile dysfunction at an early age, it’s not just psychological. There is definitely something wrong going on. So that’s something I would say if you’re having a husband that’s experiencing that, they need to probably go get a workup. But, you know, the other thing is like sperm, high insulin and that chronic inflammation leads to changes in the sperm. So, you know, if you’re trying to get pregnant, you need to be following it. But so does he. He needs to have the healthiest sperm he can have. And that starts with, lowering insulin, making sure there’s not enough testosterone, making sure there’s not chronic inflammation. So I shared earlier, my husband, he’s part Hispanic. His dad died of a massive heart attack at the age of 41.

Speaker0:
[1:35:28] And he was about 200 pounds when we started dating. He’s 5’11”. And he has now, I mean, that’s been 10 years, 10, 12 years since we started dating. And he is, he’s at 175 and has stayed at 175 like completely and he’s not perfect I told I told you that he doesn’t realize you can eat a pint of ice cream in more than in different settings like he just eats the whole thing so he’s not perfect but he is very very you know if he goes up a little bit he stays strict for like a few weeks and he’s back down and it’s just you know very even keel And I will say, you know, we, there was a study in 1966. So back in 1966, where they said fasting insulin is the strongest predictor of heart disease, strongest predictor of heart disease in the Lancet in 1966. So he went to his cardiologist like two months ago, because I told him, I was like, you know what? I don’t care that you look healthy. You obviously have genetic history. You need to go and start getting work up with your cardiologist. He’s 38. And uh, he went and he asked his doctor his cardiologist to test his insulin levels and she literally said I don’t think you can test insulin Wow And he was like, yeah, I know you can test insulin. She goes, I don’t know how to do that I’m gonna have to go talk to my colleagues.

Speaker1:
[1:36:50] In 1966, so right before the low-fat cholesterol kind of paradigm.

Speaker0:
[1:36:55] Everything. We have known for decades on decades that insulin is a problem, and yet here we are in 2025, and we’re not measuring it. And their excuse is that, well, the assays aren’t predictable. Then develop a better assay. That’s not the answer. It’s just like, oh, well, we can’t measure it.

Speaker1:
[1:37:15] What? I mean, there’s developments for type 1 diabetes, So they must have figured out how, I mean, we can isolate insulin. We can make the peptide. We can inject it in people. We have long act, we have all kinds of insulin.

Speaker0:
[1:37:27] We know how to do it. You can pee on a pregnancy test and it will measure a certain small hormone in your blood in a few seconds. And you’re saying we can’t develop assays for insulin? I mean, it’s mind-blowing. But I think personally, it’s probably a little bit of a conspiracy because if we start managing the insulin, then how are we going to treat the cancer? And who’s going to make money on treating the cancer? and the Alzheimer’s and the diabetes and the weight loss.

Speaker1:
[1:37:51] Yeah, like all of our health issues go away.

Speaker0:
[1:37:53] The testosterone replacements. I mean, all of the health care would go away. Yeah.

Speaker1:
[1:37:58] Everybody’s talking about this idea of metabolic health, metabolic disease, and this is exactly what you’re working with. And I was just listening to Andrew Huberman. I know we’re almost at our time, but he’s talking about, he’s like, you know, a lot of my friends follow this really great diet, and he was describing your diet. I don’t think he knew about your diet. Hopefully he will one day. But he was like, yeah, lots of fruits and vegetables and proteins. From animals and they feel great and everything’s great and their cravings are managed and so we all intuitively know that’s the way to eat eat plants and animals

Speaker0:
[1:38:26] Less processed nuts and seeds and like things that are just yeah normally available like people don’t realize as how the amount i think i used ai because i said okay imagine that all of human evolution was one year how long have we been eating starches and dairy? And if you were to do that, what would your guess be? If all of human evolution was compacted into one year, how long do you think we have actually as a species been eating starch or dairy?

Speaker1:
[1:39:03] It’s, I mean, I have a little bit of knowledge. In like the 12-hour clock, it’s like the last second or something like that. So I imagine it’d be like the last month.

Speaker0:
[1:39:14] Two and a half seconds. Yeah. Oh, wow. We have been eating starches and dairy for two and a half seconds and so when people are like we’ve been eating bread from the beginning of history i’m like no no no no and.

Speaker1:
[1:39:28] It was different bread and we had different we had different like

Speaker0:
[1:39:31] A different bread and we also didn’t eat bread we ate bread when we became societies and we didn’t want to have to look for our next food and that makes sense and that’s great we built societies but we also work we we exercised a lot more we were just active right like we were going out and bothering that around that.

Speaker1:
[1:39:49] Time we had like bad bone structure like things changed not you know all of these diseases ran rampant and

Speaker0:
[1:39:56] Right like we there is nothing that’s naturally available to us that spikes insulin fruits people are like oh well like you know the fruits today are so big they’re not the same well, Have you ever seen a fruit tree that’s like heavy with fruit? If you were like a hunter-gatherer or like an ancient person and you just happened upon this fruit tree, you might sit there and eat three or four apples. Like who cares if an apple today is this big when you just would eat, several of them you know like that’s and they’re like oh well they’re sweeter i’m like no no no i spent two two weeks in the amazon when i was 18 and that fruit is unadulterated and is sweeter than i’ve ever tasted in a grocery store so it’s not because it’s sweeter it doesn’t matter that it’s bigger fruit has always been very available i live in the coast the orange trees here get so full of oranges that the branches touch the ground i mean fruit would have always been available to us vegetables would have always been available to us like my parents are drowning in pecans we live in texas i mean the amount of pecans and they have six countries at their house like these are foods that would have just been available to us you know and it’s like, going and gathering enough oats to make your morning bowl of oatmeal that you cooked in the microwave for 90 seconds and added milk and honey to.

Speaker1:
[1:41:18] You don’t you don’t know how to do that like you know how to pick an apple you can theoretically imagine how you kill an animal, but how you make oats, even what an oat looks like when it’s growing, nobody knows, right?

Speaker0:
[1:41:30] No, and it would have just been wild oats, right? Like you would have had to go forever to find enough oats to like put in your bowl and then somehow make it, I mean, steel cut oats take forever to cook and just, it wouldn’t have been part of our life. And now people think nothing of a bowl of granola and skim milk, which is just oats and sugar and milk or a bowl of oatmeal with, milk and honey in it and they’re like oh it’s oatmeal it’s like um it’s so much more than oatmeal it’s a bowl of glucose you know and it’s hard for people to get their head wrapped but hopefully with the this conversation they understand

Speaker0:
[1:42:08] a little bit more behind what’s going on yeah.

Speaker1:
[1:42:11] I think minds will be blown so really one why i wanted to talk to you i wanted to be like listen to this conversation to patients who are like what like you know but um dr ali any last thoughts? Any last words? Thank you so much.

Speaker0:
[1:42:23] No, I think that, you know, I think we covered everything and more. People might need to watch this on 2X to get this.

Speaker1:
[1:42:31] Yeah, watch it a couple times. I might have another episode kind of going over the signs with PowerPoints to kind of like reinforce what we talked about. But yeah, this is really great.

Speaker0:
[1:42:41] Yeah, I think the free webinar, right? That free webinar I have on YouTube, I think it really helps also just, you know, put some perspective i have a free guide on my website with kind of all the foods that you can eat freely of um and then yeah so and i have i have the app coming out i’ll have tons of free education um it’ll have a subscription because that’s just you know part of the world we live in but if you want to access some of the tools and resources but a lot of the education will be free so perfect i’ll.

Speaker1:
[1:43:08] Link to everything in the show notes for people to check you out and to follow you so your website and your instagram um is that the best place people can find you kind of website Yeah,

Speaker0:
[1:43:16] I think I’m not very active on any other social platform. I can only handle one. But Instagram is where I’m at. Yeah, where I do the most.

Speaker1:
[1:43:25] Thank you so much. This has been so great.

Speaker0:
[1:43:27] Thank you for having me. Love it.

Following the Science

Following the Science

Is medicine a science?

The short answer is it’s an applied science.

We’ve been hearing quite a lot about The Science these days. So, what is science? How does science guide medical practice and naturopathic medicine?

The science council defines science as, “the pursuit and application of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world following a systematic methodology based on evidence.”

The answer is, science is a methodology.

It is applied in medicine through Evidence Based Medicine (EBM) which starts with the individual patient and incorporates: clinical expertise, scientific evidence (that best that exists according to a hierarchy), and patient values and preferences.

“Evidence medicine is the conscientious, explicit, judicious and reasonable use of modern, best evidence in making decisions about the care of individual patients. EBM integrates clinical experience and patient values with the best available research information.”

The Evidence-Based Pyramid


‍In EBM, evidence exists in a hierarchy, represented by the Evidence Based Pyramid (shown above). Animal studies are at the bottom, case reports (clinical anecdotes) somewhere in the middle and randomized control trials and meta-analyses (the Gold Standard of evidence) at the top.

Dave Sackett (the Father of EBM) et al. write in the British Medical Journal (1996),

“Good doctors use both individual clinical expertise and the best available external evidence and neither alone is enough.”

In addiction to scientific evidence, EBM must incorporate:

  • Patient values
  • A bottom-up approach (it is patient-centred, not guideline-centred)
  • The needs of the individual (EBM is not a one-size-fits-all formula)
  • Clinical expertise
  • The best available evidence: this does not mean using only randomized control trials. Sometimes the best evidence we have are case reports, historical and traditional use of an herb or animal studies. We still owe our patients the opportunity to see if a treatment works for them, especially if the risk of a given treatment is low.

As clinicians, we use our knowledge in different ways. We start with an assessment of the individual in front of us. This assessment takes into account the factors that influence this patient’s life, their lifestyle, their health condition and their overall health goals.

We then turn to clinical experience, research, our scientific knowledge and guidelines.

We share this information with our patient. Our job is to educate and convey the options so that the individual can provide informed consent. How does this knowledge fit into the patient’s life? How does it inform their choice?

Science is not a set of values. It is not a religion. We do not follow it.

Science provides us with a methodology for seeking the answers to questions we might ask about how the principles of nature, including the human body, are organized.

Science encourages us to ask questions and testing hypotheses in order to find answers.

It is never settled.

Most of all, science doesn’t tell us how to use scientific knowledge.

Our choices are governed by our goals, preferences and values.

So, “follow the sicence?”

No. Follow your goals, preferences, values and dreams.

And use science to help guide your way.

Reference:

Sackett, D. L., Rosenberg, W. C., Gray, J. M., Haynes, R. B., & Richardson, W. S. (1996). Evidence based medicine: What it is and what it isn’t. BMJ, 312(7023), 71–72.

I Treat Stories

I Treat Stories

“I don’t believe in diseases anymore, I treat stories.

“…No other medical system in the world ever believed in diseases. They all treat everybody as if, you know it’s whether it’s the ancestors or meridians–it’s none of this rheumatoid arthritis, strep throat kind of thing. That’s just this construct that we kind of… made up.”

– Dr. Thomas Cowan, MD

Dr. Cowan is admittedly a (deliciously) controversial figure. His statement, I’m sure, is controversial. But that’s why it intrigues me.

In naturopathic medicine, one of our core philosophies, with which I adhere very strongly, is “treat the person, not the disease”.

And, in the words of Sir William Osler, MD, “It is much more important to know what sort of person has a disease, than to know what sort of disease a person has”.

And, I guess it’s relevant to ask, what is disease in the first place?

I see disease as an non-hard end point, a state that our biological body enters into. On the continuum between perfect health (which may be an abstract and theoretical construct) and death, disease I believe is near the far end of the spectrum.

Disease happens when the body’s proteins, cells, tissues, or organs begin to malfunction in a way that threatens our survival and disrupts our ability to function in the world. For example, a collection of cells grows into a tumour, or the immune system attacks the pancreas and causes type I diabetes.

But, of course there is always more to the story.

What causes disease?

I have heard biological disease boiled down to two main causes: nutrient deficiencies and toxicities. And, I’m not sure how strongly I agree with this, but on a certain level I find this idea important to consider.

However, it is definitely not how Western Medicine views the cause of disease!

Diseases, as they are defined, seem to be biological (as opposed to mental or emotional). They have clinical signs and symptoms, certain blood test results, or imaging findings, and they can be observed looking at cells under a microscope.

Medical textbooks have lists of diseases. Medicine is largely about memorizing the characteristics of these diseases, differentiating one from another, diagnosing them, and prescribing the treatment for them.

As a naturopathic doctor, I see a myriad of patients who don’t have a “disease”, even though they feel awful and are having difficulty functioning. These patients seem to be moving along the disease spectrum, but their doctors are unable to diagnose them with anything concrete–they have not yet crossed the threshold between “feeling off” and “disease”.

Their blood tests are “normal” (supposedly), their imaging (x-rays, MRIs, ultrasounds, etc.) are negative or inconclusive, and their symptoms don’t point to any of the diseases in the medical school textbooks.

And yet they feel terrible.

And now they feel invalidated.

Often they are told, “You haven’t crossed the disease threshold yet, but once you reach the point where you’re feeling terrible and our tests pick it up too, come back and we’ll have a drug for you”.

Obviously not in so many words, but often that is the implication.

Our narrow paradigm of disease fails to account for true health.

Even the World Health Organization states that health is not the mere absence of disease.

So if someone does not have health (according to their own personal definition, values, dreams, goals, and responsibilities), but they don’t have disease, what do they have?

They have a story.

And I don’t mean that what they’re dealing with is psychological or mental or emotional instead, and that their issues are just “all in their head”. Many many times these imbalances are very biological, having a physical location in the body.

Subclinical hypothyroidism, insulin resistance, nutrient deficiencies, chronic HPA axis dysfunction, and intestinal dysbiosis are all examples of this. In these cases we can use physical testing, and physical signs to help us identify these patterns.

An aside: I believe the categories of biological, mental, environmental, and emotional, are false.

Can we have minds without biology? Can we have emotions without minds or physical bodies? How do we even interface with an environment out there if we don’t have a body or self in here?

Aren’t they all connected?

Ok, back to the flow of this piece:

Your story matters.

This is why it takes me 90 minutes to get started with a new patient.

It’s why I recommend symptom and lifestyle habit tracking: so that we can start to pay attention.

It’s why I’m curious and combine ancient philosophies, research (because yes, research is useful, there’s no doubt–we should be testing out our hypotheses), and my own intuition and skills for pattern-recognition, and my matching my felt-sense of what might be going on for a patient with their felt sense of what they feel is going on for them.

Attunement.

I write about stories a lot. And I don’t mean “story” in a woo way, like you talk about your problems and they go away.

No. What I mean is that you are an individual with a unique perspective and a body that is interconnected but also uniquely experienced. And my goal is to get a sense of what it’s like to be you. What your current experience is like. What “feeling like something’s wrong” feels like. What “getting better” feels like.

And all of that information is located within story.

Your body tells us a story too. The story shows up in your emotions, in your physical sensations, in your behaviours (that might be performed automatically or unconsciously), in your thoughts, in your energy, and in the palpation of your body.

No two cases of rheumatoid arthritis are the same. They may have similar presentations in some ways (enough to fit the category in the medical textbooks), but the two cases of rheumatoid arthritis in two separate people differ in more way than they are the same.

And that is important.

We’re so used to 15 minute insurance-covered visits where we’re given a quick diagnosis and a simple solution. We’re conditioned to believe that that’s all there is to health and that the doctors and scientists and researchers know pretty much everything there is to know about the human body and human experience.

And that if we don’t know about something, it means that it doesn’t exist.

When we’re told “nothing is wrong” we are taught to accept it. And perhaps conclude that something is wrong with us instead.

When we’re told that we have something wrong and the solution is in a pill, we are taught to accept that too. And perhaps conclude that something is wrong with our bodies.

But, you know what a story does?

It connects the dots.

It locates a relevant beginning, and weaves together the characters, themes, plot lines, conflicts, heroes, and myths that captivate us and teach us about the world.

A story combines your indigestion, mental health, microbiome, and your childhood trauma.

A story tells me about your shame, your skin inflammation, your anxiety, and your divorce.

Maybe you don’t have a disease, even if you’ve been given a diagnosis.

Maybe you have a story instead.

What do you think about that?

Should I Take Anti-Depressant Medication?

Should I Take Anti-Depressant Medication?

In September of 2019, Jakobsen, Gluud and Kirsch published a review in the British Medical Journal: Evidence-Based Medicine entitled “Should antidepressants be used for major depressive disorder?” (1)

Their conclusion was this: 

“Antidepressants should not be used for adults with major depressive disorder before valid evidence has shown that the potential beneficial effects outweigh the harmful effects.”

Now, before we move on with what drove them to make this seemingly radical conclusion, I want to be clear:

I am not stigmatizing medication.

All of those who take medication for depression have asked for help.  

Asking for help is important. 

Asking for help is brave. 

And, whatever help works for you is the right kind of help. 

But imagine this; imagine you are a pretty decent swimmer. 

You’ve practiced swimming all your life. You’ve gotten lots of experience swimming in pools, lakes, and oceans. You know how to swim, just like you know how to cope with turmoil. But, despite your strength, one day you find yourself drowning.

“No, I’m not drowning,” you might say at first. “I can’t be drowning. I know how to swim! If I’m drowning, it means I’m a failure… 

“What will everyone think?” 

And so you continue to splash around a bit, until it becomes undeniable. You gasp some water-filled air. Your head submerges and you think, indeed, “I’m drowning.” 

When you get your head above water you call for help. 

This takes a lot.

It’s not easy to admit that you need help. 

It’s not easy to overcome that little voice that tells you that asking for help is troubling other people, admitting defeat, showing weakness—and whatever else that darned little voice thinks it means. 

“HELP!” You exclaim, louder this time—little voice be damned. 

“HEEELP!”

And someone on shore sees you. They have a life-preserver in their hands and they throw it your way. 

Your shame is peppered with relief—and gratitude: there’s an answer to all this suffering. You thrust your hand towards the life preserver, grasping it with a firm bravery.

Only, it starts to sink. It’s full of holes. 

“What’s the matter?” The person waiting on the shore exclaims, as you continue to struggle, “Don’t you want help?” 

The shame returns. Hopelessness joins it. 

I advocate for mental health awareness. I advocate for perpetuating the message that it’s ok to talk about mental illness. It ok to admit you need help.

I believe the following:

Depression is not a a sign of weakness. 

It’s not a sign that you are defective. 

It’s not a sign that you haven’t learned proper coping skills, or that your coping skills are defective, or that you’re fragile. 

It’s also not fixed by simple solutions like eating salad, running or putting “mind over matter”. 

Depression happens to a lot of us. 

It affects 300 million people globally. It is the leading cause of disability world-wide, with a lifetime prevalence of 10 to 20%. This means that 1 in 5 people will experience depression in their lifetimes. 

We all know someone who suffers. Maybe you suffer. 

And a lot of people ask for help. The National Health and Nutrition Examine Survey (NHANES) in 2017 found that 1 in 8 people over the age of 12 are taking an anti-depressant, a 65% increase over the last 15 years. 

This means that 65% more of us are asking for help. 

That’s a lot of life preservers. 

So, just how effective is this help? 

First, we need to understand how the efficacy of anti-depressants are measured. 

The symptoms of depression are subjective. This means they are not observable. There is no imaging that shows if someone is depressed. There are no blood tests for depression. There are no physical exams.

Therefore, to assess the presence and severity of depression, clinicians use questionnaires. The most commonly used depression questionnaire is The Hamilton Depression and Rating Scale (HDRS), a 52-point checklist that assesses various symptoms of depression and rates them on a scale of no-depression to severe. 

When patients with depression first see a family doctor or psychiatrist they are often issued the HDRS and given a score. 

Let’s use Janet’s story as an example. Janet first came to see her psychiatrist two years ago. She wasn’t sleeping and yet felt sleepy all the time. She’d gained weight but had no appetite. Her entire body was sore, as if she had the flu. She’d lost interest in all of the activities that used to fire her up. She’d lost interest in everything. 

After a few weeks of feeling progressively worse, Janet began to be plagued by thoughts of suicide. This scared her. She went to her family doctor, who referred her to a psychiatrist. 

Janet’s HDRS score was 25. This meant she was moderately to severely depressed. 

Janet was given an anti-depressant, a Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitor (SSRI). She was told it would correct her “brain imbalance”, and treat the cause of her symptoms. Janet was relieved that there was a solution. 

If an anti-depressant can decrease the HDRS by 3 points, then the medication “works”.  Or at least the results are statistically significant.

However, if Janet’s symptoms improve by 3 points, from a score of 25 to, say, a score of 22, how does she feel? 

Not much different, it turns out. 

To experience “minimal improvement”, a decrease in symptoms that someone with depression would notice, say an increase in energy, an improvement in sleep, or a change in mood, a patient’s HDRS score would need to decrease by at least 7 points.

This means the Janet would need to bring her HDRS down to 18 or lower before she starts to feel noticeably better. 

Studies show that anti-depressants, on average, don’t do this. 

Some randomized control trials do show that anti-depressants decrease the HDRS score by at least 3 points, which is still registered by patients as having no perceptible effect, but the results are mixed.

A large 2017 systematic review showed that anti-depressants only decreased patients’ HDRS by about 1.94 points (2) and another large study published in the Lancet (3) also failed to show that anti-depressants produce a statistically significant effect, let alone a clinically significant one.

In addition to the minimal changes in symptoms, anti-depressant research is also polluted with for-profit bias. Most studies are conducted or funded by the drug companies.

This makes a difference: an analysis showed a study was 22 times less likely to make negative statements about a drug if the scientists worked for the company that manufactured it (4). 

Studies at high-risk of for-profit bias were also more likely to show positive effects of a drug (5). 

Another limitation of anti-depressant trials is the lack of active placebo control. In Randomized Control Trials, participants are sorted into two groups: an active group, in which they receive the medication, and a placebo group, in which they receive an inert pill. 

The goal of this process is to control for something called the “meaning response”, or “placebo effect” where our expectations and beliefs about a therapy have the potential to affect our response to it. 

Remember that depression, as I mentioned before, is a condition made up of subjective symptoms. 

If I asked you to rate your energy on a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate it? What if I asked you tomorrow? What if I asked you after giving you a drink of something that tastes suspiciously like coffee? 

Because of its subjective nature, and the subjective questionnaires, like the HDRS, that measure it, depression is very susceptible to the placebo response. 

Therefore, it’s important to control for the placebo response in every trial assessing anti-depressants. 

But it might not be enough to just take a sugar pill that looks like an anti-depressant.

SSRI medication produces obvious side effects: gastrointestinal issues, headaches, changes in energy, and sleep disturbances, to name a few. 

When a patient taking a pill (either placebo or active treatment) starts to feel these side effects, they immediately know which group they have been randomized to, and they are no longer blinded. 

This can be solved by giving an “active placebo”: a placebo that produces similar side effects to the active medication. Unfortunately anti-depressant trials that use active placebo are lacking. 

But what about the people who DO benefit from anti-depressants? 

Janet knew a few. She had a cousin who also suffered from depression. He took medication to manage his symptoms. He’d told her many times that he just wasn’t the same without it. 

Perhaps you, reading this article have found benefit from an anti-depressant medication. Perhaps you know someone who has: a family member, or a friend. Maybe it was their lifeline. Maybe it’s yours. 

According to Jakobson et al., there are indeed some people who benefit from anti-depressants. Anecdotally we know this to be true. However, the results of large studies show minimal to no benefit from medication, on average. 

This means that some people might benefit; we know that some do. It also means that an equal number of people are harmed. 

In order for the net effect of anti-depressant medication to be close to zero, an equal number of people experience negative effects that outweigh the positive effects seen in others. 

So, while some may have already tried medication and benefited from it, those considering medication won’t know if they’ll be in the group who benefits, or the group who is harmed.

The side effects of anti-depressant medication are often underrepresented. In the Lancet study, adverse effects were neither recorded nor assessed (3).

The most common side effects include gastrointestinal problems, sleep disturbances, and sexual dysfunction. More serious side effects, like increased risk of suicide, are also possible. Some of these effects may persist even after the medication is stopped.

Anti-depressant trials are short-term. Most trials assess patients for 4 to 8 weeks, while most people take anti-depressants for 2 years or longer.

Anti-depressants also put people at risk of physiological dependence and withdrawal. 

Withdrawal symptoms can occur a few days, or even weeks, after tapering anti-depressant medication. They sometimes last months. 

Withdrawal symptoms are often mistaken for depressive relapse. This can make it difficult, or even impossible, for patients to come off medication. This is worrisome considering the lack of research on long-term medication use.

It is sometimes argued that anti-depressants are more effective, or even essential, for severe depression, however the evidence for this is lacking (4).

In their paper, Jakobson, Gluud and Kirsch conclude that, based on the evidence, anti-depressants show a high risk of harm with minimal benefit.

Before prescribing them, Jakobson et al recommend more non-biased, long-term studies that use active placebo, and honestly assess the negative effects of the medications.

They recommend that studies use improved quality of life and clinically meaningful symptom reduction, not just statistical significance, as standards for treatment success. 

Despite these conclusions, SSRIs remain a first-line treatment for major depressive disorder. They are also prescribed for conditions like severe PMS, IBS, anxiety, grief, and fibromyalgia, or other pain conditions. 1 in 8 adults in North America are taking them. 

As a clinician who focuses in mental health, I am not against medication.

I have seen patients benefit from SSRI or SNRI medications. Sometimes finding relief with medication when nothing else worked. 

My clinical practice keeps me humble. 

If a patient comes into my practice on medication, or considering medication, I listen. I ask how I can support them. I answer questions to the best of my ability. I trust my patients.

Patient experience trumps clinical papers. 

However, for every patient who benefits from medication, just as many experience negative side effects, or no effect. I trust their experiences too.

I also trust the experiences of the patients who have been trying for months, or years, to wean off medications.

Let me repeat it again: depression is real. Asking for help is hard. And it’s important. 

Depression is a multi-factorial condition. 

This means that it stems from hundreds of complex causes. This is why it’s so difficult to treat. This is why so many people suffer.

Let me also repeat: depression is not easily fixed. 

There is no one solution, and there are certainly no ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL solutions.

So, if you or someone you care about is suffering from depression, what can you do? 

First, get help. This is not something you can get through alone.

Second, seek lots of help: gather together a team of professionals, family and friends. You can start with one person: your family doctor or a naturopathic doctor, and then assemble your support network.

Choose people you trust: people who listen, provide you with options, and seek your full informed consent

It is important to work with a healthcare team who take into account the factors that may be contributing to your symptoms: brain health, gut health, life stressors, nutrition, inflammation levels, presence of other health conditions, sleep hygiene, family history, contributing life circumstances, such as grief, trauma, or poverty, and who lay out various treatment options while filling you in on the risks, benefits and alternate therapies of each.

Medication may be part of this comprehensive treatment plan, or it may not. 

It is brave to ask for help. 

And I believe that bravery should be rewarded with the best standard of care—with the best help. 

References: 

  1. Jakobsen JC, Gluud C, Kirsch IShould antidepressants be used for major depressive disorder?BMJ Evidence-Based Medicine Published Online First: 25 September 2019. doi: 10.1136/bmjebm-2019-111238
  2. Jakobsen JC, Katakam KK, Schou A, et al. Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors versus placebo in patients with major depressive disorder. A systematic review with meta-analysis and trial sequential analysis. BMC Psychiatr2017;17:58
  3. Cipriani A, Furukawa TA, Salanti G, et al. Comparative efficacy and acceptability of 21 antidepressant drugs for the acute treatment of adults with major depressive disorder: a systematic review and network meta-analysis. The Lancet2018;391:1357–66
  4. Kirsch I, Deacon BJ, Huedo-Medina TB, et al. Initial severity and antidepressant benefits: a meta-analysis of data submitted to the food and drug administration. PLoS Med2008;5:e45.doi:10.1371/journal.pmed.0050045
  5. Ebrahim S, Bance S, Athale A, et al. Meta-Analyses with industry involvement are massively published and report no caveats for antidepressants. J Clin Epidemiol2016;70:155–63.doi:10.1016/j.jclinepi.2015.08.021
Mental Health on the Rebel Talk Podcast with Dr. Michelle Peris, ND

Mental Health on the Rebel Talk Podcast with Dr. Michelle Peris, ND

I appeared on the Rebel Talk Podcast with Dr. Michelle Peris, ND. Dr. Michelle writes,

“Not a week goes by that I do not discuss mental health with patients in my office. Rates of depression and anxiety are on the rise. So I really wanted to unpack this important topic for you, giving you relevant information and diving deep into interventions that can help optimize mental health. ⁣⁣⠀
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In this episode, Dr. Talia details how our brains work while suffering from depression, anxiety and stress. Her deep knowledge of neuroscience is combined with mindfulness practices and also with microdosing, an approach that consists in taking low doses of psychedelic drugs, such as LSD or psilocybin-containing “magic” mushrooms, in order to prevent and treat symptoms of depression. ⁣⁣⠀
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Dr. Talia talks about mental and physical barriers, that can holds us back from making the changes needed for a healthier and more balanced life. Listen to this podcast and be inspired by this out-of-the-box conversation about neuroscience, mental health and mindfulness.⁣⁣”

Click here to listen!

 

 

Some Like it Hot: Using Heat to Heal Depression

Some Like it Hot: Using Heat to Heal Depression

I will die in here today, I thought to myself, as I sat hunched and cramped in an oven-hot temazcal, or sweat lodge, somewhere on the Mexican pacific.

The straw flap covering the opening of our sweaty mud hut was thrown off momentarily by someone outside, flooding our hellish cave with light. I gazed hopefully at the entrance: were we getting water? Were they letting in fresh air? Was it finally over?

It was none of those things. Instead of relief, they were increasing the heat; a pile of hot rocks appeared at the door.

Gracias, Abuelita“, said our leader, Marciano, receiving a giant steaming rock with metal tongs and pulling it inside the hut. The change in temperature was immediate. The heat coming off the rocks was like fire. I struggled to breathe.

Marciano is Spanish for martian, abuelita an affectionate term for “grandmother”. Did he know what he was doing, this martian? Was there even enough oxygen in here for all of us? I am not related to these rocks, I thought.

Gracias, Abuelita,” We numbly replied, thanking the rocks and fanning ourselves with imaginary cool air.

The hut was crowded with ten people. I had to sit hunched over and there was no space to lie down. If I wanted to leave, everyone else would have to get out first. The combination of darkness, stifling humidity, claustrophobic quarters and angry heat was almost intolerable. Sweat was pouring so profusely off my body that I had become one with it.

Every cell of my body was on fire with craving: water, space to lie down, fresh oxygen, freedom.

Whenever I thought I couldn’t stand another moment, the heat intensified.

The tiny flap in the door opened again. Another grandmother rock from Mars? No, it was water! My heart flooded with gratitude until I realized that the tiny glass being passed around was for all of us to share.

I will die in here.

I will never again complain of ice and snow.

This is supposed to be therapeutic?

When it was over, I emerged gasping desperately for air and water. After chugging a bucketful of water, I dumped another on my scorching hot skin. I swear it emitted a hiss.

I had survived! However, as my body cooled, I realized that I had done more than survive. Despite my resistance throughout its entirety, the sweat lodge had left me feeling absolutely elevated.

The feelings of energized calm lasted well into the next few days. My brain seemed to work better, evidenced by an elevation in the fluency of my Spanish.

It was amazing.

Current research shows that heat therapy, like sweat lodges and saunas, can indeed be therapeutic. Subjecting the body to high temperatures can improve the symptoms of major depressive disorder as effectively as the leading conventional therapies, such as medication.

Intrigued by the cultural practices of using intense heat to induce transcendental spiritual experiences (the Native American sweat lodges and Central American temazcales, for instance), a psychiatrist name Dr. Charles Raison decided to investigate heat as a therapy for improving mental and emotional well-being.

Raison and his team, in their 2016 JAMA Psychiatry study, took 60 randomized individuals suffering from major depressive disorder, and subjected them to a standardized questionnaire, the Hamilton Depression Rating Scale (HDRS), which quantifies depressive symptoms. The treatment group received Whole Body Hyperthermia, an average of 107 minutes in an infrared heating chamber that heats core body temperatures to 38.5 degrees celsius.

The placebo group spent the same amount of time in an unheated box that was nearly identical (complete with red lights and whirring fans). 71.5% of the study participants who were put in the sham heating chamber believed that they were receiving the full heat therapy.

After one week of receiving the single session of heat therapy, the active group experienced a 6 point drop on the HDRS. This decrease outperformed even the standard anti-depressant treatment, selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor medications (according to a 2017 meta-analysis SSRI medications drop patients only 2 points on the HDRS), and lasted for 6 weeks.

Previous fMRI research has shown that heat sensing pathways in the skin can activate brain areas associated with elevated mood, such as the anterior cingulate cortex (the ACC is also activated during mindfulness meditation). The raphe nucleus, which releases serotonin, our “happy hormone”, is also activated by this skin-to-brain thermoregulatory pathway.

Heat is also thought to calm immune system activation present in the brains of individuals suffering from depression. People with depression tend to have higher body temperatures than non-depressed people. This is possibly due to the present of inflammatory cytokines, such as TNF-a and IL-6, that increase inflammation and fever and have been shown to negatively impact mood. Perhaps heat therapy acts by “resetting” the immune system.

Furthermore, when the body is exposed to high temperatures, it results in the release of heat shock proteins. Heat shock proteins respond to short, intense stressors: hot, cold, and even fasting conditions. They have a variety of effects on our hormonal systems. Some can reset the body’s stress response, correcting the cortisol resistance that is present in the brains of depressed individuals. One particular heat shock protein, HSP105, has been shown to prevent depression and increase neurogenesis (the creation of new brain cells) in mice.

Reduced neurogenesis in the hippocampus is a risk factor and side effect of depression. It is thought that traditional anti-depressants, in addition to altering brain levels of serotonin, may exert some of their effects through inducing brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BNDF), a growth factor that encourages the development of new brain cells.

Conventional theories tell us that depression is a disorder resulting from a chemical imbalance in the brain requiring medication to “correct” that imbalance. However, an overwhelming amount of research tells us that this is simply incorrect: depression is a complicated condition stemming from multiple causes.

Naturopathic doctors focus on the whole person. We look at how an individual’s symptoms are expressed within the context of their biology, physiology, psychology, and social and physical environments. We know that, when it comes to a condition like depression, every body system is affected. We also know that the health of our digestive and hormonal systems are essential for optimal mood.

Naturopathic doctors have also traditionally used hydrotherapy, the therapeutic application of hot and cold water, to benefit digestion, boost detoxification pathways, and regulate the immune system.

Therefore, as a naturopathic doctor, the idea that heat exposure can have a profound effect on depressive symptoms makes sense. However, as a clinician, I’ve found it difficult to convince my patients suffering from depression to try heat therapy. Perhaps it’s because the remedy seems so simple it borders on insulting—sweat for an hour and experience profound changes to a condition that has debilitated me for months? Get out of here.

I get it.

However, research suggests that since depression is a multi-factorial condition, it deserves to be addressed with a variety of therapies: diet, sleep hygiene, exercise, nutrition, and psychotherapy, to name a few. Heat therapy can be another important one.

So, here are some suggestions for implementing heat therapy without having to do a sweat lodge:

  • If you have access to a sauna, us it! Alternate 15 to 20 minute stints that induce sweating with 60-second cold rinses in a shower. Cycle back and forth for up to an hour.
  • Go to a hot yoga class a few times a month.
  • Exercise. Exercise has been shown to induce temperature changes that are similar to heat therapy. This may be why exercise has been so well studied for its mental health benefits.
  • Take epsom salt baths regularly. Add 1 to 2 cups of epsom salts to a warm bath and soak for 20 minutes or more, or to the point of sweating.
  • Try Alternate Hot and Cold Showers: alternate between one-minute bursts of hot water and 30-seconds of cold for about 3 to 5 cycles.

 

Reflections on Being a Patient

Reflections on Being a Patient

I will never get annoyed at a patient’s “lack of compliance” again.

Health care is scary, even when you know what you’re doing. When it’s your own health, putting yourself in the hands of a professional is not easy.

Yesterday I had an initial consult for myself with a nutrition specialist. She’s well-known in her field, super-academic, in her 70s, and has published books and papers.

She knows her stuff. She’s also really helped a friend of mine and the referral came from him. I had every reason to trust her and feel good about putting myself in her hands.

However, I was nervous getting ready to see her. I filled out a diet diary… what would she think? What would she say about my blood work? Would she be nice? Would she be understanding? Would we get along?

Survival instincts kick in.

We talked about a few things in the first visit (which cost an arm and a leg, but will be worth it if I’m left feeling great) and she prescribed some supplements for me to take.

I left, kind of satisfied. Ready to get on with our journey, with a list of things to pick up, dosages to tweak, things to consider and instructions to book again in 3 to 4 weeks.

Ok.

I woke up this morning, in the early hours tossing and turning, thinking to myself, “I don’t want to take vitamin E!” And “Did she truly understand my concerns?” And “what are all these supplements treating?” and “did she really hear me out?” And, “is all this going to actually help?”

The impulse to not trust, to run and hide, to override her assessment and recommendations with my own were overwhelming. (And, of course, as someone who does what she does for a living, the struggle to overcome this is real, we’re “experts” on the body, but it’s nice to let someone else give direction for a change, especially someone with 30+ more years’ experience).

Still, trusting is hard.

Being aware of the impulse to run and avoid, while also resisting the impulse, is hard.

I have people who neglect booking a follow-up even when they know that we still have lots of work to do.

I have people who don’t fill out diet diaries for fear of actually taking a hard look at their food intake.

I have people who email me that “nothing is working” when in fact they haven’t started taking their nutrients and supplements yet.

And, guess what, as frustrating as that may be (because ultimately, I want people to have success! I want people to heal), I’m doing the same thing.

Jeez, being in the patient chair is mighty humbling.

I highly recommend it to all my health practitioner colleagues out there.

And, yes, now I’m taking vitamin E. I’ve decided to just trust. (But I’m still taking my own multi-vitamin… hey, doctors make the worst patients… amiright?)

Preventive Medicine: 9 Root Causes of Disease

Preventive Medicine: 9 Root Causes of Disease

I often get emails like this, “Dear Doctor, please tell me your favourite natural cure for anxiety”, to which I often reply:

Dear, Anxiety,

Imagine you are a gardener, tending to your garden. You are a skilled gardener: you tend lovingly to your plants every day and you care deeply for their welfare.

You are the perfect gardener in every way, except for one: for some reason you don’t know anything about soil.

No one has ever taught you about the damp, dark soot that envelopes the roots of your beloved plants, kindly offering to them its protection, water, and nutrients.

You are a gardener, but are innocently oblivious to the fact that soil must be nurtured by millions of microbes, and that nutrients in the soil must be replenished. You have no idea that the other plants sharing the soil with your garden form a complex network of give and take, depositing nutrients into it, while greedily sucking others away.

Now, as this soil-ignorant gardener, imagine your surprise when, despite your care and attention, the plants in your garden wither and die, bearing no flowers or fruit.

Imagine your frustration when your efforts to prop up tired stems fail. You apply water and fertilizer to buds, leaves and stems. You stand by, powerless, as your garden dies.

Notice the weeds taking over your garden, which you lop off at their stems, unaware that their roots reside deep inside the earth.

When the weeds pop up again and again, you slash at them, burn them, and you curse the skies.

“Why me?”

Why you, indeed.

You are unaware of root gardening, soil gardening, just as many of us are unaware of root medicine—soil medicine.

You see, Anxiety, there are many natural remedies that can help.

However, tossing natural pills at twitching nerves, imbalanced blood sugar, unregulated stress responses, and various nutrient deficiencies, might be as naive a practice as spray painting your roses while they wilt in sandy earth, beneath their red paint.

It might be akin to prescribing anxiety medication or a shot of vodka to calm your trembling mind; you might feel better for a time, propped up with good intentions, before collapsing in the dry soil encasing you.

With no one to tend to your roots you eventually crumple, anxiety still rampant.

“Why me?” You curse the skies.

Rather than asking, “Why me?” it might help to simply start asking, “Why?”

While it is important to understand the “What” of your condition—What disease is present? What is the best natural cure for anxiety?—naturopathic doctors are far more interested in the “Why”.

As Dr. Mark Hyman, functional medical doctor, asks:

Why are your symptoms occurring?

Why now?

And why in this way?

Naturopathic doctors prescribe natural remedies for conditions such as anxiety, it’s true. However, naturopathic medicine is a medicine that first tends to the soil.

Naturopathic doctors first look for and addresses the roots of symptoms, working with the relationships that exist between you and your body, your food, the people in your life, your society, your environment—your soil.

Healing involves taking a complete inventory of all the factors in your life that influence your mental, physical, and emotional wellness. It requires looking at the air, water, sunlight, nutrients, stressors, hormones, chemicals, microbes, thoughts and emotions that our cells bathe in each day.

Healing means looking closely at the soil that surrounds us. It requires asking, What are the roots that this condition stems from? And, What soil buries these roots? Does it nourish me?

Do I nourish it?

The causes of disease can be interconnected and complex. Very often, however, there are common root networks from which many modern-day chronic health conditions arise.

Starving Gut Bacteria.

It was Hippocrates, the father of medicine, who first proclaimed that “All disease begins in the gut.”

Our digestive systems are long, hollow tubes that extend from mouth to anus, and serve as our body’s connection to the outside world. What enters our digestive system does not fully become the body until the cells that line that digestive tract deem these nutrients worthy of entering.

Along their 9 metre-long, 50-hour journey, these nutrients are processed by digestive enzymes, broken down by trillions of beneficial bacteria, and sorted out by the immune cells that guard entrance to our vulnerable bodies.

Our immune cells make the judgement call between what sustains us, and what has that potential to kill us. For this reason, about 70% of our immune system is located along our digestive tract.

Our gut bacteria, containing an estimated 30 trillion cells, outnumber the cells in our body 3 to 1. Science has only just begun to write the love story between these tiny cells and our bodies. These bacteria are responsible for aiding in the digestion of our food, producing essential nutrients, such as B vitamins and fat-soluble vitamins, and keeping our intestines healthy.

However, this love story can turn tragic when these little romantics are not properly fed or nurtured, or when antagonists enter the story in the form of pathogenic bacteria or yeast.

Our microbiome may impact our health in various ways.

Studies are emerging showing that obese people have different gut profiles than those who are normal weight. Our gut bacteria have a role in producing the hormones that regulate hunger, mood, stress, circadian rhythms, metabolism, and inflammation. They regulate our immune system, playing a role in soothing autoimmune conditions, and improving our ability to fight off infections and cancer.

Psychological and physical stress, inflammation, medication use, and a diet consisting of processed food, can all conspire to negatively affect the health of our gut. This can lead to a plethora of diseases: mood disorders, psychiatric illness, insulin resistance, cardiovascular disease, chronic pain and inflammation, obesity, hormonal issues, such as endometriosis, autoimmune disease, and, of course, chronic digestive concerns such as IBS, among others.

As Hippocrates long knew, one doesn’t have to dig for long to uncover an unhappy gut microbiome as one of the primary roots of disease.

Our gut has the power to nurture us, to provide us with the fuel that keeps our mood bright and our energy high. However, if we fail it, out gut also has the power to plague our cells with chronic inflammation and disease.

To be fully healthy, we must tend to our gut like a careful gardener tends to her soil.

This involves eating a diet rich in fermented foods, like kefir, and dietary fibre, like leeks, Jerusalem artichokes, and black beans. It also means, consuming flavonoid-rich foods like green tea, and cocoa, and consuming a colourful tapestry of various fruits and vegetables.

Healing our gut requires avoiding foods it doesn’t like. These may include foods that feed pathogenic bacteria, mount an immune response, kill our good bacteria, trigger inflammation, or simply those processed foods that fail to nurture us.

To heal ourselves, first we must feed out gut.

Confused Circadian Rhythms.

For hundreds of thousands of years, all of humanity rose, hunted, ate, fasted, and slept according to the sun’s rhythms.  

To align us with nature, our bodies contain internal clocks, a central one located in brain, the suprachiasmatic nucleus, which is susceptible to light from the sun, and peripheral clocks located in the liver and pancreas, which respond to our eating patterns.

Our gut bacteria also respond to and influence our body’s clocks. 

However, the invention of electricity, night shifts, and 24-hour convenience stores, means that our bodies can no longer rely on the outside world to guide our waking and sleeping patterns. This can confuse our circadian rhythms, leading to digestive issues, insomnia, daytime fatigue, mood disorders, and problems with metabolism, appetite, and blood-sugar regulation.

Dr. Satchin Panda, PhD, a researcher at the Salk Institute in California, found that mice who ate a poor diet experienced altered circadian rhythms. However, he found that when these mice were fed the same diet in accordance with their natural rhythms, they weighed less, had lower incidences of diabetes and cardiovascular disease, had better cognitive health, and lived longer.

These findings indicate that perhaps it is not what we eat but when that may impact our health.

Perhaps it is that an unnatural diet disconnects us from nature, or that this disconnection tempts us to choose non-nutritive foods, but the research by Dr. Panda and his team reveals the importance of aligning our daily routines with our bodies’ natural rhythms in order to experience optimal health.

According to Dr. Panda’s findings, this involves eating during an 8 to 12-hour window, perhaps having breakfast at 7am and finishing dinner early, or simply avoiding nighttime snacking.

For many of us, this may involve making the effort to keep our sleep schedules consistent, even on weekends.

For most of us, it involves avoiding exposure to electronics (which emit circadian-confusing blue light) after the sun goes down, and exposing our eyes to natural sunlight as soon after waking as possible.

Nature Deficit Disorder.

Nature Deficit Disorder is a phrase, coined by Richard Louv, in the 2005 book, Last Child in the Woods.

According to Louv, a variety of childhood problems, especially mental health diagnoses like ADHD, are a direct result of our society’s tendency to increasingly alienate children from nature.

With most of humanity living in cities, nature has become a place we visit, rather than what immerses us. However much modernization might remove us from nature, our bodies, as well as the food, air, water, sunlight, and natural settings they require to thrive, are products of nature, and cannot be separated from it.

A Japanese practice called Shinrin-Yoku, or “Forest Bathing”, developed in the 1980’s to attempt to reconnect modern people with the healing benefits of spending time in a natural setting. There is an immediate reduction in stress hormones, blood pressure, and heart rate when people immerse themselves in natural environments, such as a forest. 

Whether we like it or not, our roots need soil. It is possible that the components of this soil are too complex to manufacture. When we try to live without soil, essential elements that nourish us, and the various relationship between these elements are left out.

When we remove ourselves from nature, or ignore it fully, we become like gardeners oblivious to the deep dependency their plants have on the soil that enshrouds them.  

Connecting with nature by spending time outside, retraining our circadian rhythms, connecting with our food sources, and consuming natural, whole foods, may be essential for balancing our minds, emotions, and physical bodies.

A Lack of Key Building Blocks.

Our bodies are like complex machines that need a variety of macro and micronutrients, which provide us with the fuel, building blocks, vitamins and minerals that we need to function.

As I child, I would play with Lego, putting together complex structures according to the blueprints in the box. When I discovered that a piece was missing, I would fret. It meant that my masterpiece would no longer look right, or work. If I was lucky, I might find a similar piece to replace it, but it wouldn’t be the same.

After looking long and hard for it, sometimes the missing piece would turn up. I’d locate it under the carpet, my brother’s bottom, or lodged in a dark corner of the box. Often our bodies don’t get that lucky.

Nutrients like vitamin B12, perhaps, or a specific essential amino acid, or a mineral like magnesium, help our body perform essential steps in its various biochemical pathways.

These pathways follow our innate blueprint for health. They dictate how we eat, sleep, breathe, and create and use energy. They control how our bones and hair grow. They control our mood and hormones. They form our immune systems. These pathways run us.

Our bodies carry out the complicated instructions in our DNA to will us into existence using the ingredients supplied from food. If our bodies are missing one or several of these ingredients—a vitamin or mineral—an important bodily task simply won’t get done.

Dr. Bruce Ames, PhD, theorized that when nutrient levels are suboptimal, the body triages what it has to cove tasks essential to our immediate survival, while compromising other jobs that are important, but less dire.

For example, a body may have enough vitamin C to repair wounds or keep the teeth in our mouths—warding off obvious signs of scurvy, a disease that results from severe vitamin C deficiency. However, it may not have enough to protect us from the free radicals generated in and outside of our bodies. This deficiency may eventually lead to chronic inflammation, and even cancer, years later.

According to Dr. Ames’ Triage Theory, mild to moderate nutrient deficiencies may manifest later in life, as diseases that arise from the deprivation of the building blocks needed to thrive.

In North America, despite an overconsumption of calories, nutrient deficiencies are surprisingly common.

25-50% of people don’t get enough iron, which is important for the transport of oxygen, the synthesis of neurotransmitters, and for proper thyroid function.

One third of the world’s population is deficient in iodine, which affects thyroid health and fertility.

Up to 82% of North Americans are vitamin D deficient. Vitamin D regulates the expression of over 1000 genes in the body, including those involved in mood regulation, bone health, immunity, and cancer prevention.

Vitamin B12 is commonly deficient in the elderly, vegans and vegetarians. It is important for lowering inflammation, creating mood-regulating neurotransmitters, and supporting nervous system health. Deficiency in vitamin B12 can result in fatigue. Severe deficiency can lead to irreversible nerve damage, dementia, and even seizures.

Magnesium is an essential mineral involved in over 300 chemical reactions, including mood and hormone pathways. Over 40% of North Americans do not consume enough magnesium, which is found in leafy green vegetables.

Our bodies have requirements for fats, which make up our brain mass and the backbone of our sex hormones, and protein, which makes up our enzymes, neurotransmitters and the structure of our body: bones, skin, hair, nails, and connective tissue.

Our gut microbiota require fibre.

Our cells need antioxidants to help protect us from the free radical damage from our own cells’ metabolism and our exposure to environmental toxins.

We certainly are what we eat, which means we can be magnificent structures with every piece in place, thriving with abundance and energy.

Despite reasonably good intentions, we can also suffer from nutrient scarcity, forced to triage essential nutrients to keep us from keeling over, while our immune health, mood, and overall vitality slowly erode.

A Body on Fire: Chronic Inflammation.

When we injure ourselves—banging a knee against the sharp edge of the coffee table, or slashing a thumb with a paring knife—our immune systems rally to the scene.

Our immune cells protect us against invaders that might take advantage of the broken skin to infect us. They mount an inflammatory response, with symptoms of pain, heat, redness, and swelling, in order to heal us. They recruit proteins to the scene to stop blood loss; they seal our skin back up, leaving behind only a small white scar—a clumsiness souvenir.

Our inflammatory response is truly amazing.

One the danger has been dealt with, the immune response is trained to turn off. However, when exposed to a stressor, bacteria, or toxin, for prolonged periods, our immune system may have trouble quieting. Chronic issues can contribute to chronic inflammation.

Scientists argue that an inflammatory response gone rogue may be the source of most chronic diseases, from heart disease, cancer, and diabetes, to schizophrenia and major depressive disorder. 

The gut is often the source of chronic inflammation as it hosts about 70% of the immune system. When we eat something that our immune system doesn’t like, an inflammatory response is triggered. This can cause digestive issues such as inflammatory bowel disease, celiac disease, and the more common irritable bowel syndrome. It can also lead to more widespread issues like chronic pain, arthritis, migraines, and even mood disorders like Bipolar.

Ensuring optimal gut health through nurturing the gut microbiome, and eating a clean diet free of food sensitivities, is essential for keeping the body’s levels of inflammation low.

Constant Fighting and Fleeing.

Like inflammation, our stress response is essential to our survival.

When facing a predatory animal, our body is flooded with stress hormones that aim to remove us from the danger: either through fighting, fleeing, or freezing. Our stress response is affectionately called our “Fight or Flight” response.

However, like inflammation, problems arise when our stress response refuses to turn off. Traffic, exams, fights with in-laws, and other modern-day struggles, can be constant predators that keep us in a chronically stressed-out state.

Chronic stress has major implications for our health: it can affect the gut, damage our microbiome, alter our circadian rhythms, mess with mood and hormones, and contribute to chronic inflammation. Stress gets in the way of our ability to care for ourselves: it isolates us, encourages us to consume unhealthy foods, and buffer our emotions through food, alcohol, work, and drugs.

We also know that stress has a role in the development of virtually every disease. Like chronic inflammation, it has been found to contribute to chronic anxiety, depression, digestive concerns, weight gain, headaches, heart disease, insomnia, chronic pain, and problems with concentration and memory, among others.  

Discomfort with Discomfort.

To assess its impact on health, it helps to determine between two key types of stress: distress, the chronic wear and tear of traffic, disease, and deadlines, and eustress.

Eustress is beneficial stress—the short-lived discomfort of intense exercise, the euphoric agony of emotional vulnerability, or the bitter nutrients of green vegetables—that makes the body more resilient to hardship.

Whenever I feel discomfort, I try to remember the ducks.

Several years ago, on a particularly frigid winter day, I was walking my dog. Bundled against the cold wind, we strolled along the semi-frozen lake, past tree branches beautifully preserved in glass cases of ice. Icebergs floated on the lake. So did a group of ducks, bobbing peacefully in the icy waters.

With nothing to protect their thin flippers from the sub-zero temperatures, they couldn’t have felt comfortable. There couldn’t have been even a part of them that felt warm, cozy, or fed.

There was no fire for them to retreat to, no dinner waiting for them at home, no slippers to stuff frozen, wet flippers into. This was it. The ducks were here, outside with us, withstanding the temperatures of the icy lake. A part of them must have been suffering. And yet, they were surviving.

Far from surviving, the ducks looked down-right content.

I think of the ducks and I think of the resilience of nature.

We humans are resilient too. Like the ducks, our bodies have survived temperature extremes. Our ancestors withstood famine, intense heat, biting cold, terrible injury, and the constant threat of attack and infection, for millenia. You were born a link on an unbroken chain of survivors, extending 10,000 generations long.

Our bodies have been honed, over these hundreds of thousands of years, to survive, even thrive, during the horrendous conditions that plagued most of our evolutionary history.

Investigations into the human genome have revealed genes that get turned on in periods of eustress: bursts of extreme heat or cold, fasting, and high-intensity exercise. When our body encounters one of these stressors, it activates a hormetic response to overcome the stress. Often the response is greater than what is needed to neutralize the threat, resulting in a net benefit for our bodies.

These protective genes create new brain cells, boost mitochrondria function, lower inflammation, clear out damaged cells, boost the creation of stem cells, repair DNA, and create powerful antioxidants. Our bodies are flooded with hormones that increase our sense of well-being.

It’s like the old adage, “What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.”

Our bodies were made for discomfort. In fact, we have entire genetic pathways waiting to kick in and heal us as soon as they experience hardship.

There are a growing number of studies on the healing power of small troubles. Fasting may have a role in treating autoimmune diseases, decreasing the signs of aging, and as an adjunct therapy for cancer; sauna therapy boosts detoxification and may prevent dementia; cryotherapy, or exposure to extreme cold, has the potential to heal arthritis and autoimmunity; and High Intensity Interval Training has been shown to boost cardiovascular health more than moderate-intensity exercise.

Plants may benefit us through flavonoids, which, rather than serving as nutrients, act as small toxins that boost these hormetic pathways, encouraging the body to make loads of its own, powerful antioxidants to combat these tiny toxins.

Mindfully embracing discomfort—the bitter taste of plants, the chilly night air, the deep growling hunger that occurs between meals—may be essential for letting our bodies express their full healing potential.

Not Minding Our Minds.

Our ability to withstand powerful emotions may have healing benefits.

Many of us avoid painful feelings, allowing them to fester within us. We buffer them with excess food, or drugs, leading to addictions. Mindfulness can help us learn to be with the discomfort of the emotions, thoughts and physical sensations that arise in the body as inevitable side effects of being alive.

Research has shown that mindfulness can help decrease rumination, and prevent depressive relapse. It also helps lower perceived stress. How we perceive the stressors in our lives can lower the damaging effects they have on us. Research shows that those who view their life stressors as challenges to overcome have lower stress hormone activation, and experience greater life satisfaction.

According to Cognitive Behaviour Therapy (CBT), our thoughts create our emotions. Becoming more aware of our thoughts, through CBT or mindfulness, allows us to identify which thoughts may be limiting us or exacerbating our reactions to stressful situations.

When we learn to observe our thoughts, we create some distance from them. We become less likely to see the dismal thoughts in our minds as absolute truths.

Practicing mindful meditation, CBT, or cultivating positive thoughts, such as engaging in a daily gratitude practice, may improve our resilience to chronic stress.

Inattention.

According to Stephen Cope, yoga teacher and author of The Great Work of Your Life, “You love what you know deeply. Get to know yourself deeply”. We get to know things deeply by paying attention to them.

Georgia O’Keefe’s admiration for flowers, or Monet’s adoration of landscapes, is apparent to anyone who sees their work. In order to commit images to canvas, the artists gets to know their subject matter deeply. Their art celebrates what they took the time to pay attention to, and eventually came to love. 

As a naturopathic doctor, I believe that healing begins with attention. When we become aware of our bodies, we begin to know them deeply. Awareness allows us to respond to symptoms lovingly, the way a mother learns to skillfully attend to her baby’s distinct cries.

When I first meet a new patient, the first thing I have them do is start to pay attention.

We become curious about their symptoms, their food intake, their sleep patterns, their habits and routines, the physical sensations of their emotions, the thoughts that run through their heads.

Through paying attention, with non-judgmental curiosity, my patients start to understand their bodies in new ways. They learn how certain foods feel in their bodies, how certain sleep habits affect their energy levels the next day, and how specific thoughts contribute to their feelings.

Once we begin to open up this dialogue with our bodies, it becomes impossible not to answer them with love. It becomes hard not to eat, sleep, and move in ways that convey self-respect.

A gardener who pays deep attention cannot ignore the obvious—her plants have roots, embedded in soil. The gardener quickly learns, through careful observation, that the health of this soil is vital to the health of her plants.

And so, back to the original question, “What is your favourite natural cure for anxiety?”

My favourite remedy isn’t a bottle of pills we reach for, it’s a question we reach for from within:

“What do I need to heal?”

After asking the question, we wait.

We wait for the answer to emerge from some primal place within, just as a gardener waits for new buds to rise out of the mysterious depths of the dark, nutritious soil.

 

Eat Less, Live Longer: The Therapeutic Benefits of Fasting

Eat Less, Live Longer: The Therapeutic Benefits of Fasting

In the past I used to suffer from “hanger”, feeling hungry and irritable if going more than a few hours without food. Now my body is adapted to fasting, going prolonged periods without food—and I feel all-the better for it.

When I was a kid, no one ever had to convince me to finish my dinner. Perpetually “hangry” (hungry and angry), I was the Tasmanian devil of snacking, vacuuming up whatever food substances crossed my path, leaving wrappers and crumbs in my wake. “Never get between Talia and her food,” my brother facetiously coined when, like a voracious bull, I would bully my way into the kitchen to fix myself an emergent after-school snack. From the moment I was born, it seems, going more than two hours without eating was a physical impossibility. “I’m sick with hunger,” I would complain whenever my blood sugar levels dipped.

Now I sit here writing this article, in my adult incarnation, comfortably having abstained from eating for more than 14 hours. Whereas before I couldn’t go more than 2 hours without some kind of sugary snack, my body is now adapted to thriving during prolonged periods without food—and I feel all-the better for it.

“Eat a snack every 2-3 hours to keep blood sugar stable and lose weight,” dieticians and nutritionists often advise . However, as we dig into the disease prevention, anti-aging and weight management research, we learn that there may be benefits to going without food for prolonged periods.

We humans spent much of our evolutionary history hunting and gathering with extended periods of food scarcity. Our bodies adapted to survive through, and perhaps even thrive and depend on, periodic fasts. We now live in a society that enjoys food abundance: with 24-hour convenience stores and fast food restaurants at our disposal, we rarely go hungry. This recent lifestyle change may contribute to the increase in the diseases of excess that afflict modern bodies.

Ancient healing systems like Ayurvedic medicine and Traditional Chinese Medicine have long recognized the benefits of fasting for purifying and healing the body. Today, a body of research is accumulating that suggests that fasting may help treat diseases like multiple sclerosis and cancer, reduce the risk of chronic metabolic diseases, such as diabetes, battle dementia and cardiovascular disease, and reverse the effects of aging, helping us live longer.

What Happens During Fasting: 

Human physiology fluctuates between two modes: the fasted and the fed state. After eating, a hormone called insulin rises in response to the intake of dietary carbohydrates and, to a lesser extent, protein. Insulin allows glucose to enter cells where it can be used for energy. Insulin encourages the storage of body fat and glycogen—a molecule stored in the muscles and liver that can be broken down quickly for energy. Insulin is an anabolic hormone that promotes tissue building and growth.

Our bodies are in the fed state, or postprandial state, for up to 4 hours following a meal, when blood sugar and insulin levels rise and the body begins to store food energy. 4-6 hours after eating, our bodies enter the post-absorptive state. Insulin and blood sugar levels fall, and blood sugar is maintained through the breakdown of liver and muscle glycogen. At the 10-12 hour mark post-meal, the body enters the fasting state. At this stage, glycogen stores have been depleted and blood glucose is maintained through a process called gluconeogenesis: glucose is created from fat, lactate and protein. In the fasting state, the body taps into fat stores to create ketone bodies, which are used for fuel.

Approximately 24-48 hours after a meal, the body enters a state called autophagy (or self-eating). The body breaks down old, damaged cells into their proteins and reuses them to build new cells or for fuel, through gluconeogenesis. Autophagy has gained the attention of researchers who recognize its benefits for managing inflammation, slowing the effects of aging, and treating various chronic diseases, such as autoimmune disease and cancer—more on this later!

Fasting to Treat Cancer:

Valter Longo, PhD, at the Longevity Institute at the University of Southern California, examined the effects of 2 to 4-day fasts on patients with cancer who were undergoing chemotherapy. The study found that several days of fasting improved the efficacy of chemotherapy, while reducing its side effects, protecting healthy, non-cancerous cells. Healthy cells responded to the periods of food restriction by shutting down, protecting them from the toxicity of the chemotherapy. Cancer cells don’t have such a response, leaving them susceptible to the chemotherapy. “Cancer cells are dumb cells,” says Dr. Longo.

The fasting period not only improved the effects of cancer treatments, it stimulated the regeneration of the immune system through the creation of progenitor stem cells. Fasting cleared out damaged immune cells and cancer cells through autophagy and new cells were regenerated upon re-feeding. Dr. Longo and his team found that up to 40% of the immune system is rebuilt in mice after a fasting and re-feeding cycle.

Fasting Mimicking Diets:

Recognizing the difficulty in going 3 days without food, Dr. Longo developed a 5-day “Fasting Mimicking Diet” that allows for the consumption of about 700-1000 calories per day in the form of small snacks. The Fasting Mimicking Diet is low enough in calories, protein and carbohydrates to mimic the physiological conditions and benefits of fasting like autophagy, ketone body production, beneficial stress response, and cancer cell starvation.

Mice given the Fasting Mimicking Diet (FMD) lost 30% of their body weight through the breakdown of body fat and clearing away of old, damaged cells. When the mice were re-fed, their blood, brain and bone cells were rebuilt. The mice who underwent the Fasting Mimicking Diet had rejuvenated immune systems, decreased incidences of cancer, reduced body fat, improved cognitive performance, decreased inflammation, and increased lifespans.

Fasting to Treat Autoimmunity:

Research in mice showed promising results in using the Fasting Mimicking Diet to treat multiple sclerosis, a debilitating autoimmune condition that attacks the nervous system. When following the diet, immune cells that were attacking the brain and spinal cord were destroyed. Upon re-feeding, new progenitor stem cells were created that repopulated the immune systems of the affected mice, and aided in repairing the damage to the brain and spinal cord. The Fasting Mimicking Diet resulted in a 20% reduction in autoimmunity in mice with multiple sclerosis.

A study that examines the effects of the Fasting Mimicking Diet on humans with Crohn’s Disease, an autoimmune disease the affects the digestive system, are currently underway.

Fasting to Reverse Aging:

Autophagy, the process of removed and recycling old and damaged cells, is a new area of research for reversing the effects of aging. Autophagy alleviates the body burden of senescent cells that have stopped dividing but are still robbing the body of essential nutrients and energy.

When cells become senescent, they release inflammatory mediators, which can damage neighbouring cells and cause inflammation and disease. Cellular senescence is thought to be one of the primary mechanisms by which we age. As we age, more cells become senescent, causing age-related inflammation. A study found that inflammation is the primary factor that drives the aging process, damaging DNA and contributing to various diseases, such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, arthritis, cancer, and autoimmunity.

The process of fasting and re-feeding stimulates the production of new, healthy progenitor stem cells in the immune system. Mice and human volunteers who underwent cycles of the Fasting Mimicking Diet had decreased numbers of myeloid cells, the inflammatory immune cells that become more numerous as we age, and increased numbers of cytotoxic T cells, which protect the body against viruses and cancer.

Fasting promotes longevity through its inhibition of Insulin-like Growth Factor -1 (IGF-1), a growth factor that promotes cellular growth, and prevents the death of senescent cells. Growth factors are important for growing babies and children, developing fetuses, boosting muscle, and growing new brain cells. However, growth factors like IGF-1 are negatively associated with longevity because of their potential to stimulate the growth of cancer and prevent autophagy. Mice whose growth factor-dependent genes were removed, or “knocked out”, lived 40-50% longer and suffered from less diseases as they aged. IGF-1 is stimulated by protein and carbohydrate intake; it is elevated in the fed state and inhibited when fasting.

Healthy humans who underwent cycles of the Fasting Mimicking Diet had lower risk factors that were associated with cardiovascular disease and diabetes, such as lowered blood pressure, reduced CRP (a marker of inflammation in the blood), and reduced fasting blood glucose levels. These markers remained improved even after the subjects returned to a normal diet, which indicates that fasting may help reduce the risk of chronic diseases, such as diabetes and heart disease, promoting health longevity and increased lifespan.

Fasting for Energy and Resilience to Stress:

Hormesis is the process in which the body’s response to a stressor like the slightly toxic flavonoids in plants, intense exercise, or extreme temperatures, benefits the body as a whole. Hormesis is one of the reasons that exercise and green leafy vegetables are so good for us; they impose minor stressors on the body, boosting its healing properties, and improving resilience.

Fasting, in addition to other positive stressors, up-regulates a stress-response gene called FOX03. When FOX03 is activated, it produces proteins that reduce inflammation, increase anti-oxidant production, repair DNA, and increase cellular energy production through the creation of new mitochondria. Humans with a more active version of the FOX03 gene have an almost 300% chance of living to be over 100 years old.

Fasting also promotes a process called mitophagy. Similar to autophagy, mitophagy involves removing and recycling damaged mitochondria that are no longer able to effectively produce energy. Through activation of the FOX03 gene, more mitochondria are created to replace the old, improving energy production. The creation of new mitochondria only occurs in response to exercise, extreme temperatures, and periods of fasting.

Fasting for Weight Loss:

It doesn’t take a researcher to figure out an obvious truth about fasting: when you don’t eat, you lose weight. Dr. Jason Fung, MD, a Toronto-based nephrologist, prescribes fasting to his obese and diabetic patients. In his book, The Obesity Code, Dr. Fung discusses how the old paradigm of restricting calories for weight loss—eating 1500 calories a day while burning 2000, for example—is out-dated and ineffective for keeping weight off longterm. Dr. Fung argues that fat storage and breakdown are not the result of a simple calories in minus calories out equation, but the performance of a hormonal orchestra conducted by insulin. Insulin stores fat and glycogen, while inhibiting the release of fat breakdown. The body only begins to tap into its glycogen and fat stores when insulin drops during the post-absorptive and fasting phases after a meal. Once it depletes its glycogen stores, the body burns fat as its main source of fuel as long as insulin levels remain low.

According to Dr. Fung, fasting is superior to caloric restriction diets because it keeps insulin levels low for long enough to allow the body to deplete its glycogen stores and tap into fat. Fasting also releases surges of growth hormone, which prevents muscle loss, and norepinephrine, which boosts energy and feelings of well-being. Unlike caloric restriction diets, studies have shown that metabolism increases during and after fasting, preventing weight regain. Dr. Fung argues that fasting can spare muscle, boost metabolism, increase energy, and increase feelings of well-being, making it an effective tool for lasting weight loss.

Ways to Fast: 

While the health benefits may be numerous, fasting isn’t easy. The first time I tried a prolonged fast, all I could think about was food. Food was everywhere and the people around me seemed to be eating all the time. My body, accustomed to being constantly fed, wasn’t too happy with the sudden metabolic switch I was demanding from it. Many of our metabolisms have been trained to run on dietary carbohydrate and glycogen as their primary fuel sources, making the first few hours to days of fasting a challenge. However, there are many ways to ease into the practice of fasting. You can obtain Dr. Valter Longo’s Fasting Mimicking Diet kit from a healthcare provider through ProLon, or practice small intermittent fasts, such as Time-Restricted Feeding.

Time-Restricted Feeding: 

A researcher at the Salk Institute in Califoronia, Dr. Sachin Panda, PhD, found that restricting eating time had amazing health benefits in mice. Mice were fed an unhealthy diet of lard and sugar. The mice, as you might expect, had shorter lifespans and a variety of health problems: diabetes, obesity, and heart disease. However—and this part is miraculous—when Dr. Panda and his team restricted the time the mice were fed the exact same crappy diet to 12 hours (instead of allowing them to eat whenever they wanted), none of the negative health benefits occurred; the Time-Restricted Fed mice were 70% leaner, lived longer and were free from diabetes or heart disease.

Further investigation revealed that restricting feeding time to 8-12 hours a day, resulted in mice that had less body fat, improved muscle mass, decreased inflammation, increased cardiovascular function, increased mitochondrial function, higher levels of ketone body production, increased cellular repair processes and anti-oxidant production, and increased aerobic endurance. It was when the mice ate, not what they ate, that conferred these health benefits.

North Americans, on average, eat on a 15-hour clock. We seem to eat constantly, stopping only to sleep. To study the effect of Time-Restricted Feeding on humans, Dr. Panda had human participants restrict their food intake to 12 hours a day; if the volunteers had their first sip of coffee at 7 am, they were told to cease all food intake by 7pm. After the completion of the 16-week study, the volunteers lost 3-5% of their body fat without making a conscious change to their diets. The participants reported sleeping better and feeling more energized in the morning. They noted that their overall calorie consumption decreased by about 20% without effort.

Research into Time-Restricted Feeding indicates that allotting at least 12 hours a day to fasting boosts the body’s repair mechanisms, improves digestive function and motility, provides time for the body to switch to ketone body production (which tends to happen 10-12 hours after a meal), improves blood sugar control, regulates appetite, and enhances stress resilience. Taking a break from eating allows the body to invest its energy into repair, rather than digestion. The best part about Dr. Sachin Panda’s research is its simplicity; to obtain all of the benefits, simply avoid after-dinner snacks!

Intermittent Fasting: 

Similar to Time-Restricted Feeding, Intermittent Fasting plays with the ratio of fasted to fed hours. Proponents of Intermittent Fasting refrain from eating from 12 to 23 hours within a 24-hour period. A common ratio of fasted to fed time is 16 to 8 hours: fasting for 16 hours a day and eating within an 8-hour window. For example, if breakfast is at 8am, then those following a 16:8 intermittent fast stop eating by 4pm in the afternoon.

Alternate Daily Fasting or the 5:2 Diet: 

Studies with mice and human subjects found that alternating daily food intake, or following a 23:1 fast (having just one meal a day) every second day, was effective for weight loss. The protocol is beautifully simple: every second day either fast completely or indulge in only one meal. While people tend to eat more on their “fed” days, they don’t seem to make up the calories that are lost on the fasting days, resulting in an overall reduction in calories and weight loss.

Water Fasts:

It’s estimated that we need to fast for at least 36 hours to get the autophagy benefits, which makes water fasting a powerful therapeutic and anti-aging practice. Water fasting is simple: withstand extended periods, usually 3 to 5 days, but often longer, only consuming water.

The longest recorded water fast was 382 days, performed in 1973 by a 27-year old male who weighed 456 lbs. During the months he fasted, the 27-year old consumed only water and a multivitamin and, according to the study published on him, experienced “no ill-effects”. While water fasts can have amazing therapeutic benefits, it is advised that they be medically supervised.

Ketogenic Diets: 

Ketogenic diets are high-fat diets that restrict carbohydrates and limit protein, and can mimic the low-insulin conditions of fasting. Because carbohydrates and protein are restricted, the body is forced to turn dietary fat into ketone bodies, which it can use for energy.

Ketone bodies, especially beta-hydroxybutyrate, produced from either dietary or body fat, have important therapeutic uses. They provide more energy for the brain than glucose, which can have benefits for memory, mood, concentration and cognitive performance. Ketogenic diets have been recommended for treatment-resistant epilepsy, and diseases associated with cognitive decline like Alzeimer’s and Parkinson’s. More recently ketogenic diets have been recommended for mental health conditions, such as depression and anxiety.

Ketone bodies also help cells resist oxidative stress, preventing cellular damage, which makes ketogenic diets of interest to cancer researchers because or their ability to starve cancer cells of protein and carbohydrates, while fuelling healthy cells.

Ketogenic diets can deliver many of the benefits of fasting because of the low-insulin, low growth factor conditions they induce. When a person becomes “keto-adapted”, able to burn ketone bodies efficiently for fuel, the transition to fasting is easy. For this reason, ketogenic diets and fasting often go hand-in-hand.

Cautions:

While fasting can deliver many health benefits, it can impose a temporary stress on the body for those who haven’t adapted to ketosis or prolonged periods without food. Therefore, it’s important to fast under the supervision of a medical professional, especially if deciding to embark on an extended fast.

Before deciding to fast, the individual’s energy levels and vitality, health status, hormone regulation (those who are taking insulin should practice extreme caution when fasting), age, health history, and health goals, should all be considered. A woman of fertility age will have different health goals than a 72-year old woman with type II diabetes. The former may want to preserve body fat and promote fertility and ovulation, while the latter may want to reduce her insulin and growth factor levels, and lose weight in order to promote health longevity.

Fasting may not be appropriate for everyone. For example, those who are underweight, pregnant, breastfeeding or suffering from an eating disorder should not fast. Fasting in women of reproductive age has the potential to produce hormonal imbalances such as hypothalamic amenorrhea (irregular or absent menstrual cycle). Fasting can exacerbate or cause dysregulation in stress hormones, particularly cortisol, known as “adrenal fatigue”, and potentially effect thyroid function, as a result of the body’s starvation response. Fasting while under the pressure of chronic mental and emotional stress is probably not a good idea. Working with a professional and listening to your body are key elements to doing fasting right.

However, when used correctly, it can be a simple, free, powerful therapeutic tool for healing the body, treating chronic disease, and promoting longevity.

 

 

So “What the Health” Do I Eat Now?

So “What the Health” Do I Eat Now?

 A naturopathic doctor offers tips for navigating the often contradictory and confusing world of modern human nutrition.

As soon as we start to feel comfortable with our grasp of human nutrition—which foods are healthy, which ones are unhealthy, and how to eat a balanced diet for optimal health—a new study gets published that shatters our once-felt sense of confidence.

Confusingly contradictory health claims constantly appear in the news, like the American Heart Association’s vilification of coconut oil. The vegan diet-promoting documentary What the Health, currently trending on Netflix, turns convention on it head by assuaging our fears of refined sugar, instead blaming animal protein, eggs and dairy for the worldwide diabetes epidemic. Even I find myself doubting the 15 years I’ve spent studying and working in the field of human health every time paradoxical nutritional data is uncovered.

When I was in high school, I remember patting myself on the back for choosing fat-free options, hoping the leanness of my food would encourage leanness of my flesh. I gave up meat, understanding that I was making a healthier choice; I was told that meat, fat and cholesterol were all culprits of heart disease. I tried giving up eggs and dairy, trying on veganism in order to minimize my impact on the environment. I did an elimination diet while at naturopathic medical school, removing gluten. When my colleagues started reading about the Paleo Diet—grains were the enemy all along, while meat was good for us—I slowly began to embrace a “primal” diet. I started removing myself from the influence of decades’ worth of poorly conducted research and began welcoming saturated fat back into my life. Fat was fine; it was carbs that were the root of all disease. Atkins had gotten it right from the beginning. Eventually I cut out all carbs and sugar and tried a ketogenic diet, eating lots of fat, moderate amounts of meat, and some vegetables.

My journey brings me here, to my Facebook newsfeed, which has been infiltrated with articles condemning coconut oil and saturated fat for raising LDL cholesterol and contributing to cardiovascular disease. “But I thought it was healthy!” Friends, family and patients cry, tearing their hair out in confusion over the news. Some patients have watched Netflix’s What the Health, a documentary from the makers of Cowspiracy, which asserts that sugar’s link to type II diabetes may not bas as strong as previously thought.

The flip-flopping is frustrating for sure, especially for those of us who are committed to living healthy lives for as long as possible. But before we toss our tubs of coconut oil and liquid stevia drops in the garbage and start pulling out the white sugar and margarine again, we should consider how nutritional research is conducted. Let’s entertain different traditional, holistic viewpoints on food and nutrition in order to learn how to feed our bodies optimally.

The Problem with Nutritional Research

There are several problems with how we study nutrition. One of the challenges lies within science itself; scientific studies, by their very nature, attempt to isolate all of life’s complexity down to two variables in order to study them while nutrition, as it’s practised in the day to day lives of human beings, consists of an infinite number of important factors that are often not taken into account.

Most human diet studies are epidemiological. Researchers follow populations of people for years, tracking what they eat and noting how many diseases they get over time. They then synthesize the data to create story.  For instance, how much fibre did the people who had heart disease eat? Did those who avoided gluten have a higher risk of diabetes?

In order to assess dietary intake, most epidemiological studies use Food Frequency Questionnaires, or FFQs. Study participants are asked how often they eat certain foods (such as chicken) per week. They are asked to check a box, from “none” to “more than 6 times a week”. As a clinician interested in how my patients’ nutrition may be affecting their health, I assess diet in a few different ways. In the initial appointment, I ask my patients to recall everything they’ve consumed in the past 24 hours to get a rough overview of how they typically eat. Then, between the first and second appointments, I have my patients track their foods in a diet diary over the course of one to two weeks. The accuracy with which my patients report their food intake from the day before depends on their memories, perceptions, and diligence in recording, among other things, and this can compare drastically with their diet diaries that are recorded in real time. Not only do the mundane memories of daily meals evade us, we are often found guilty of deceiving ourselves based on how we feel we should be eating, rather than how we actually are. I find it hard to believe that participants are filling out FFQs accurately.

Also, the stories that epidemiological studies create from the data establish correlation, not causation. With many correlations (like one of my favourites: ice cream consumption and drowning—both occur in summer) there is often no direct relationship. If assessing the connection between fat intake and diabetes, a good study will take into account all meaningful variables, such as how often the participants exercised, or whether they had existing cardiovascular disease. However, considering all the possible factors that might effect the relationship is virtually impossible. For instance, what was the status of the gut flora of the participants? What was their antioxidant or mineral status; were they magnesium deficient? Were they consuming meat that was pasture-raised or corn-fed? How high was their daily toxic exposure? Did they experience chronic stress? How well were they sleeping? What were their levels of inflammation like? And so on.

The trouble with studying nutrition and disease is that, when it comes to health, context matters; context may be all that matters. For instance, while we know that barbecued meat can produce carcinogens that potentially lead to cancer, a study found that when the meats were seasoned with rosemary the carcinogenic load of the meat was neutralized. It’s nearly impossible to form a complete picture when we insist on studying isolated factors, leaving out many important details.

Animal studies, while allowing for tighter control (we don’t ask mice to report their diets, we just feed them), are also flawed. Firstly, mice and humans are completely different species with different nutrient requirements. However, animal study designs can also be problematic. Animals are given lard and white sugar to assess the effects of a high fat, high sugar diet on their health—their diets are exaggerated for the purpose of the study. Human beings, however, eat burgers, cake, and ice cream. We don’t eat single nutrients like fat and sugar, we eat food. If a mouse gets sick on a diet of lard and table sugar is it because of the foods it was eating, something he wasn’t eating, or some other unforeseen factor? There may be a huge difference between eating a high-fat diet with no vitamins and minerals, and eating a high-fat diet that contains complete nutrition.

A third method for studying human nutrition is through randomized control trials, or RCTs. In RCTs humans are randomized into a group that receives an intervention, like a dietary plan, or a control group that is told to follow some other diet or just eat normally. These trials control as many variables as possible, but the timeframe for these studies is often too short to garner meaningful information about health outcomes, which may take years to manifest. It is also difficult to get participants to stick to meal plans. Further, it’s hard to establish consensus for each diet being studied. For example, when assessing the nutritional merits of the Paleo diet, how many servings of vegetables should participants be told to consume? How many grams of fat? What types of fat?

It’s important that we can use studies to seek answers to our questions about the relationship between nutrition and health. However, due to its many limitations, nutritional research can only take us so far. This is why one study may indicate that high sugar diets contribute to diabetes risk, while another study finds no relationship.

A New Food Guide

If we can’t trust research studies to tell us what to eat, who do we trust? Surely we can’t rely on Canada’s Food Guide, with it’s outdated recommendations that simultaneously overemphasize grains and dairy, while continuing to uphold archaic views on fat. Primarily created in the 40’s to help Canadian families ration their food during the war, the Food Guide was not necessarily created to promote the optimal health of those who follow it.

Dr. Ray Cronise, a former NASA scientist, outlines a food pyramid in his paper to help organize food into nutrient content. I often borrow his pyramid to depict nutritional balance to my patients.

Ray’s pyramid is composed of four circles, three that form the base of the pyramid, forming the three main groups of macronutrients: protein, fat, and carbohydrates, and foods that are composed primarily of each. The circle at the top represents the foods that contain a higher number of micronutrients: vitamins and minerals, which are mainly non-starchy vegetables like leafy greens.

Protein-rich foods include meat and animal products, including fish, eggs and dairy. Fat-rich foods include nuts, seeds and oils like coconut oil, avocado and olives. Carbohydrate-rich foods include starchy vegetables like potatoes, grains, legumes and fruit. Ray concedes, however, that none of these foods are composed of a single macronutrient; animal products often contain a significant amount of fat; nuts and seeds also contain protein and carbohydrates; and legumes and grains contain some protein as well.

Ray points out that most diets, particularly the Standard American Diet, is bottom-heavy. North Americans generally over-consume macronutrient-rich foods that are higher in fats, carbs, proteins, and calories in general, and under-consume micronutrient-rich foods like fruits and vegetables. Because of this, North Americans consistently fail to meet the levels of vitamins, minerals and antioxidants essential for optimal bodily function.

It seems that even “healthy” diets tend to focus on the bottom of the pyramid, restricting certain groups of foods while making up the balance by over-emphasizing others. Paleo and low-carb dieters often fixate on the right side of the pyramid, including animal products, nuts and seeds, but avoiding grains and legumes, while vegan and vegetarian diets concentrate on the left side of the pyramid, eschewing all animal products and getting protein from grains, legumes and nuts instead.

One thing all healthy diets seem to emphasize, however, is fruit and vegetable consumption. When studying the merits of a vegan or paleo diet, it is the non-starchy, micronutrient-rich vegetables that may confer most of the health benefits, regardless of the carb, fat and protein content. Therefore, Ray recommends focusing on the top of his food pyramid, eating as many vegetables as possible, while eating a balance of foods from the base.

Since we rarely eat pyramids, I often depict this balance for my patients using a plate. I divide the plate into four quarters. One half of the plate is dedicated to colourful vegetables, with at least a full quarter dedicated to greens. The other two quarters of the plate are divided into starches: grains, legumes, tuberous vegetables, and proteins: meat, dairy, eggs, fish, or legumes. Oils and fats can be used to cook with or added to the meal in the form of avocados, nuts and seeds.

Listening to the Body as Guide

So, while Ray’s advice to eat as many green and colourful vegetable as we can while eating a balance of the foods at the bottom of the pyramid is sound, how can we establish what the right balance is for us? Many of us will have vastly different requirements for the macronutrients: carbs, fat and protein. My body has an energy demand that is different from that of my 6′ friend who lifts weights daily, or my 90-year old hypertensive, mainly sedentary Italian grandmother. As a naturopathic doctor, who believes in an individualized approach to health, I tend to reject top-down dietary recommendations that ignore the variabilities among people.

A friend of mine, having damaged his health through a string of restrictive dieting, argues that all food—even refined sugar and saturated fat—has a place in a healthy diet. He believes our bodies are designed to crave fat, protein and carbohydrates in ratios that promote optimal health. He writes in his book that we can eat whatever we want as long as we eat intuitively and avoid foods laden with “fake” flavours and processed oils, like corn oil, that confuse our internal cues and hunger signals. He also argues, like the filmmakers in the Netflix documentary, What the Health, that there is no evidence that refined sugar causes diabetes, and that diets based on avoidance of certain foods are detrimental for health.

While I’m not convinced that refined sugar deserves to be completely cleared of all charges, I agree that mindful and intuitive eating may be the key to maintaining balance. Healing with Whole Foods by Paul Pitchford places awareness and physical activity at the base of its Integrative Food Pyramid. The idea is that we need to first establish the foundations of movement and mindfulness before we begin to talk about food intake. As my friend says, perhaps the key is tuning in to our own internal physiological and emotional cues through mindfulness, paying attention to hunger and cravings, rather than measuring calories, carbs, protein, or fat grams.

Following our internal cues may be difficult, as the book The Dorito Affect outlines. The author points out how certain foods are engineered to override our hunger and satiation signals and monopolize our cravings, leading us to overeat. Therefore, if we’re going to follow our body’s signalling, mindfulness is a requirement, but so is following the advice of Michael Pollen, author of The Omnivore’s Dilemma, who famously tells us to “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly Plants.”

Pollen urges us to stick to foods that resemble something we might encounter in nature: eat foods our grandmothers would recognize; purchase foods that come from a plant, not foods that are made in one; and to stick to whole foods or packaged foods with five listed ingredients or less. Pollen also encourages us to cook and prepare as much of our own foods as possible. Do you have a craving for potato chips, ice cream, or dark chocolate? Feel free to indulge, as long as you make it yourself using the raw, natural ingredients. The theory is that, when the body is given clean, whole food, it regulates its hunger and satiety signals to communicate to you exactly what it needs.

Heal the Individual

When it comes to whole foods, I believe that there are no “good” or “bad” foods, generally speaking. Observational studies that examine how traditional societies ate suggest to us that saturated fat, animal protein, dietary cholesterol, and carbohydrates all have a place in a balanced diet. However, when it comes to diet, especially therapeutic diets, it’s my job to consider the individual and their health context: there are no good or bad foods, but some foods are better or worse for certain people, and some may even be better or worse for certain people at certain points along their health journeys.

When I am helping my patients calm inflammation, heal their digestive systems, clear their skin, or manage autoimmune disease, I often recommend identifying food sensitivities and eliminating those foods from the diet. Oftentimes these foods need to removed only temporarily, but sometimes foods may need to be removed indefinitely. Patients with insulin resistance, such as in the cases of obesity, PCOS, diabetes or metabolic syndrome, often do well on a low-carbohydrate diet to restore insulin sensitivity. Again, these anti-inflammatory, reduced-carbohydrate diets may only be required until hormonal balance is restored. Older adults concerned with promoting longevity, or patients undergoing cancer treatment, may do better restricting protein to lower their levels of growth factors, while athletes and stressed out adults may require higher amounts of protein to promote muscle building, or to synthesize mood-regulating neuro-chemicals. A woman who is stressed, depressed, exhausted and iron deficient may feel much better increasing her dietary intake of red meat to help regulate her nervous system. Another woman, with a family history of colon cancer, may do better avoiding it.

Endless factors need to be taken into account when we consider which dietary style is right for us. Our health goals, health status, nutrient status, digestive system health, immune system health, liver functioning, insulin sensitivity and hormone balance, levels of stress, toxic load and inflammation are just some of the things that I consider when making lifestyle recommendations for my patients. Lifestyle preferences, tradition, culture, religious backgrounds, cooking abilities, time constraints, and other factors, will also all play a role in our food choices and eating habits.

Our emotional connection to food and our ethics also matter. While veganism is certainly not a diet I recommend, if consuming animal products is out of line with one’s morals, then following a vegan diet may be the healthiest way for them to live in accordance his or her beliefs. Similarly, someone with a history of disordered eating may need to lift all food limitations, even junk food, in order to heal his or her relationship with food and hunger.

Investigations into the eating patterns of traditional societies tell us that human beings thrive on a variety of different diets. Optimizing diet for the individual goes beyond following the latest research or government and industry-funded health recommendations. It involves eating a variety of natural, whole foods, learning to pay attention to the body’s hunger signals, and even working with a health professional who uses diet to help promote health and manage disease on an individual level.

 

 

 

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